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OMG: #HeForShe I just read about Dr Tracy Morgan's promotion to Manager, Counselling Centre. She was one of two women sexually harassed at UW 9 years ago. UW's internal investigation turned out to be wrong. And people were concerned about how Dr Morgan was being treated by her department after her complaint. There were many omg's about her treatment.

But this decision gives hope for all of us that not all old institutions stay old, just caring about their reputation, but can come around and change themselves. So happy I could sing!

Great start to #HeForShe week on our campus. Emma Watson would be proud of our school!

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  1. nobody cares. get over it. you didn't do shit.

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    1. "nobody cares"? Speak for yourself. Who do you mean with your "you didn't do shit"? What do you mean?

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    2. @2 if your "you didn't do shit" comment is aimed at Dr. Morgan, she's done more, and sacrificed more for women's safety at UW than anyone else in UW's history.

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  2. What's with all the downvotes for this omg? Why would anyone be upset?

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    1. Some people here are obsessed with dr. Morgan's case assuming all along that she would be mistreated forever and ever by the administration, rather than hey just being at the wrong end of a bout of institutional incompetence

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    2. ^If it was a bout of institutional incompetence it wouldn't have lasted from 2009-2013. That was the time span documented through CanLII from the original incident to the HRTO's final denial of a request for reconsideration.

      Based on that outcome, there was nothing imposed to reverse any effects of your supposed institutional incompetence and would you say its unfortunate but unintended ill effects.

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    3. @2.a do you suggest your bout would be followed by a time of institutional competence for Dr. Morgan's case? If so, when? And how did it resolve its prior incompetent actions against Dr. Morgan? That's what a competent institution would do, right?

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  3. 2, I care. It's important our employer treats us fairly.

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  4. How many times are you going to post, OP? You already posted 2.a, 3, and 4.

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  5. Everyone in this thread is assigning far more personality and coherence to UW's administration and to Counselling Services management than actually exists or ever has existed. The most likely case here is that there never was any grand narrative *against* Dr. Morgan, anymore than there is now some push for reconciliation and progress. Nor was there some period of "institutional incompetence" that is suddenly resolved.

    Institutions are a product of their people and the internal culture, and those two things feed off of and grow from each other. It is worth noting that the line management at and above the Director level in Counselling Services is the same now as it was then. So the likelihood of a major cultural shift is small. It's more likely the shift in middle management and promotion of Dr. Morgan happened for a long series of reasons, of which this old incident may or may not have been a small part.

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    1. ^"Everyone in this thread is assigning far more personality and coherence to UW's administration and to Counselling Services management than actually exists or ever has existed"

      That's odd since a small number of specific highly paid ($'s anyone?) leaders occupy roles in that direct chain. Each with his mandate to moniter, plan, coordinate, decide, approve, and communicate on everything under his authority. All add coherence.

      Where differences between layers exist on which course of action to take, decision authority is either held or delegated down.

      But someone in that chain made or approved each decision and action on UW's behalf that's impacted Counselling Services and Dr. Morgan.

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    2. "It is worth noting that the line management at and above the Director level in Counselling Services is the same now as it was then."
      When did Walter Mittlestaedt, Director of Campus Wellness get his role?

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    3. More changes in UW management above the Director Counseling Services level since the original June 2009 incident.

      Bud Walker, Associate Provost Students, Special Advisor to the VP Academic and Provost, left March 2015

      David Johnson, UW President, left Sept 30, 2010

      Feridun Hamdullahpur, UW President, started Oct 1, 2010

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  6. OP maybe you can contact Emma Watson or #HeForShe's head office to pass her a message about this. Given UW's with them now, it may be nice if they knew this good news story.

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    1. I already texted her. We'll discuss over lunch...

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    2. anyone have their contact info?

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    3. Try Ms. Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, United Nations Under-Secretary-General and Executive Director of UN Women. She leads the HeForShe initiative globally. She spoke at UW this summer on UW's involvement with HeForShe so is familiar with us. Do you want me to look for an email address? She may know how to contact Emma Watson on HeForShe too.

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    4. excellent. put in a good word for me. emma looks tight.

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    5. phumzile.mlambo-ngcuka@unwomen.org

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  7. This is all highly intriguing. Has anyone thought to approach Dr. Morgan for eventual book or movie rights? After she's moved on of course.

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    1. This might be the second most interesting thing to happen at UW recently (the first being that eng undergrad who got 5 years for smuggling 51 turtles in his pants), but lets face it, it would still be a boring movie.

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    2. What if Michael Moore did a movie on US campus sexual consent culture. Like from an institutional inaction view. He sometimes likes to compare and contrast with Canadian experience. UW's treatment of Dr. Morgan piece could be part of a bigger exposé.

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    3. If it's Michael Moore then he wouldn't be interested in something everyone already knows. The lack of consent culture got a lot of publicity, then the safe space debate. A good documentary would look at what is happening now that we have both brought consent to the forefront AND seen the problem with going overboard on the SJW stuff.

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    4. The Iraq War and Columbine were well known too. Michael Moore still dug and uncovered links that weren't well-known. It's also the way he connects and comments on things known only on the surface before.

      He may find UW's actions toward Dr. Morgan of interest to himself and for viewers.

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    5. yes, def, make a movie. we need another ghostbusters reboot bomb to shut the sjws up.

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    6. ^If you're going to spew hate, at least be smart about it.

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    7. ^hate? like the hate speech against a man cleared of wrong doing but sjws take to internet to write libelous statements against him and the entire counseling services kind of hate? pot meet kettle.

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    8. ^"cleared of wrong doing" is that why after his sexual assault investigation the police gave Dr. Morgan the choice for them to charge him with sexual assault or bring him in for an official caution?

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    9. ^^"and the entire counseling services" I see statements on its management accountability but not against the entire Counselling Services. Can you point us to where you see that?

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    10. ^"charge him with sexual assault with little to no evidence, or bring him in for an official caution."

      fixed it for you.

      you should look harder in the spamming of links for accusations against the counselling services. you could do that in the hour between your comments.

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    11. After the police investigation, if he was cleared of wrongdoing, wouldn't they call him in to apologize to him? The police investigated him on accusations of sexual assault, not counselling services.

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    12. apologize? no. if there is little, or no evidence, the police will suggest to drop the case as it would be a waste of time and resources. the crown could also decide to drop charges at a later time for lack of evidence should the individual still want to press charges.

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    13. But that's not what the police did, was it. And the police didn't clear him of wrong doing, did they.

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    14. if she has a case the statute of limitations does not apply to criminal charges. so either put up or shut up. speculation means nothing.

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    15. @8n, this doesn't look like speculation, it's a fact check on 8g's claim that he was cleared of all wrong doing. This was not true.

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    16. ^It's a non-starter. You can't be cleared of something you were never charged for. He was never charged.

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    17. @8p, you're making 8o's point that 8g's statement about him was false. He was not cleared of wrongdoing. He was not charged. Agreed?

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    18. ^that's your rebuttal? weak. not enough evidence = charges stayed, charges dropped = cleared. or do you want to hang on semantics to make yourself feel better? non-event that a select few here obsess about.

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    19. @8r, neither two things you're equating into your conclusions happened, "not enough evidence" or "charges dropped". Your conclusions don't follow.

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    20. citations? specific links, thanks. i don't accept first-year undergrad spammage of links.

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    21. @8t, 8r is using those as a basis for conclusions, not 8s. It's up to 8r to cite where their premise is true. So where did Waterloo Regional Police Services say "not enough evidence", "charges dropped", "charges stayed", or "cleared"?

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    22. ^they're provided in the links. the waterloo police and the ontario human rights tribunal found nothing. the man in question was not convicted, no penalties doled. only by the sjws on this site, internet law.

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    23. The SJW is mad because the lawyer representing him absolutely crushed any case against him. SJWs don't like it when pesky defense lawyers represent their clients. So the pseudo legal OHRT was involved because she had no legal options available.

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    24. ^I guess it puts people off when something improper happens, isn't denied, and then the case is "absolutely crushed".

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    25. ^you mean something that allegedly happened, that he never admitted to, and the case lacks evidence for further investigation?

      this story loses it's luster without the sjw framing.

      sjw version: she was too nice and didn't want to press charges, asked police to give a warning.
      reality: not enough evidence for charges, police ask to meet to give warning. lawyer says no as this would be admission of guilt, crushes any case against due to lack of evidence.

      sjw version: the legal system is flawed against women, she's a victim, the only institution is the ontario human rights tribunal to stand up for what's right.
      reality: legal system works fine. evidence is needed. hearsay and conjecture not admissible. ohrt is a quasi legal entity that doesn't have any real power.

      sjw: she's a victim, everyone else is at fault: uw administration, counselling services, the police, society. everyone is against us so we'll fight for what's right.
      reality: system works just fine. sjws take to the internet to criminally harass, give libelous statements, issue threats, post hate speech, and create general mischief over something that has long been a non-issue.

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    26. The police wouldn't have given Dr. Morgan the option for them to charge him or caution him if their sexual assault investigation was inconclusive.

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  8. So many cucks, so little time

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  9. It's ridiculous the amount of deflection. Calling out a man sexual assaulting gets a reaction as if it's accusing all of Counselling Services. Mistreatment by UW get blamed on culture, not owned by management.

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    1. Spotted the strawman

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    2. Willfully ignorant?

      http://www.omguw.com/2016/03/23632.html

      "Go to counselling services about harassment and sexual assault? LOL!
      A quick OMGUW search on counselling services harassment:
      www.omguw.com/2014/02/18476.html
      www.omguw.com/2014/09/19849.html
      www.omguw.com/2015/01/feds-execs-ama.html
      www.omguw.com/2015/06/21008.html
      www.omguw.com/2014/11/20036.html
      www.ask.omguw.com/2014/01/5754.html"

      "Just checked. The creep from 6a's sexual assault links is still here on campus. From the links, his victim told him to stop too and he didn't. Just like OP. How is this in our best interest? Why am I paying his salary? Can I opt-out?"

      "It sucks that you can't go to Counselling Services to stop this sexual harassment and sexual assault because they're even worse."

      "I swear this crap at Counselling Services is the worst thing for University of Waterloo's Public Relations and UW's reputation and has been for the last 3 years.

      It's like UW's infected tooth that the patient refuses to get a root canal for.

      UW! Someone high up, fix it and let us trust you again. OP needs advice from a place that's safe for her to go."

      http://www.omguw.com/2016/03/23658.html

      "It's so obviously Counselling Services staff who are trying to stop these omgs. Face it.
      1. he sexually harassed her
      2. UW covered it up for him
      3. they're all wanting it to stay blocked.

      This is silencing. This is what allows work offenders to get away with doing what they want."

      http://www.ask.omguw.com/2014/01/5754.html

      http://www.omguw.com/2014/02/18476.html

      http://www.omguw.com/2016/09/23827.html

      http://www.omguw.com/2014/09/19849.html

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    3. hey now, can't post relevant links and direct quotes to support your view. you need emotionally empty accusations for this thread.

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    4. I think 10 meant this omg not all omg's.

      But your expansion to all omg's on the issue is fair on its own. A quote that may be interpreted as too broad is the "3. they're all wanting it to stay blocked". I read it rather than every Counselling Services person, "they're all" means him, UW management, and some Counselling Services staff who posted.

      Unfortunately their actions impact the whole Counselling Centre, our trust in it, and its ability to provide us the services we need it to.

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  11. Wow $7800, do you know what type of girl or girls you can get for that...

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    1. ^Re "Wow $7800, do you know what type of girl or girls you can get for that..."
      William Ashley you *do* understand the difference in consent in your example compared to this sexual assault investigation, right?

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    2. ^Re "Wow $7800, do you know what type of girl or girls you can get for that..."
      William Ashley you *do* understand the difference in consent in your example compared to this sexual assault investigation, right?

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  12. Wow $7800 do you know what type of girl or girls you can get for that? You could do way more than touch them, I mean you could be touching them with whole different body parts for that much.

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  13. lol. I hate coming onto OMGUW but it is like a bad car wreck, you just kindof have to look. you're all dickheads. Can't wait to graduate and get the hell away from all you salty asses.

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