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OMG: What about UW makes you "sick"? Like, mentally unhealthy/isolated?

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  1. UW's active tolerance of sexual violence by Counselling Centre staff stands out. It makes me unable to get the help I need. So yeah, mentally sick and isolated.

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    1. Oh FFS not this again. Feel like hijacking this thread too, by making a mountain out of a molehill with no attention paid to circumstance, nuance, or the actual people involved? Or will you admit that, perhaps, there is more than one counsellor in Counselling Services, most of them are pretty good at what they do, and you can go to them for help while avoiding the ones you don't feel comfortable around?

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    2. i think 1 should seek counselling for not letting things go. obsessing over a myth is not healthy.

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    3. 1c So go to Counselling Centre so a perpetrator can counsel you to let go of your sexual violence concerns about them? Nice.

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  2. 1c what myth? What are you reacting to about the Counselling Centre?
    1a what counselor or counsellors are you talking about? What actual people?

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    1. ^false premise. Op should seek counselling and you should seek a critical thinking course.

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    2. ^ffs. This site should be mobile compatable. That response was for 1.d.

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    3. What's false about the premise?

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  3. #1 - the fact that, unlike in Bermuda or other places I've been, people do not actively say hello to one another. I've been trying to break that mold but it's darn difficult.

    #2 - When everybody's bogged down on homework, not eating and sleeping properly, they get sick, and then they get me sick. So please, for the sake of my own health and yours, young'uns, get some sleep.

    #3 - Way too much goose poop. It makes lying down in the grass darn difficult.

    #4 - Stupid rules and shit.

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  4. For mental health support in waterloo region (off campus): http://here247.ca/
    They also operate a crisis line. See the link for details

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  5. When you're forced to pay for university services your can't use due to women's safety issues. #makesmesick

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    1. when sjws illegally harass a man in counselling because they need a witchhunt and don't care who they hurt in the process. someone should be charged with harassment over this issue already. contact UW, have them expell these sjw morons.

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    2. 5a So a known perpetrator should be completely free to reoffend?

      And it's wrong to warn potential future victims in his target group who would otherwise place themselves in his care?

      Or let isolated victims unknown to us know their experience with him is not unique?

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    3. @5.b the only "known perpetrator" is you with your constant criminal harassment using anon online boards. this will make a good article in the news i think. "sjws who think they're above the law" we'll see how that turns out.

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    4. @5.c by all means please feel free to shed light on this or any related issues you see fit. We're only interested in the public good. Its needs are not being met.

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    5. @5a,5c You really think the police will try to stop us from helping each young woman in our own community get safe from him?
      It is not our duty to stay silent while she goes unknowing into harm's way. Or to forget. Or to turn away.
      So call us whatever names you feel you must. You won't make a difference. We're not going away. Not until we're sure she's safe.

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    6. ^What utter garbage. You're not doing it to save others, you're doing it to make yourself feel good because your own life is utter shit. Trashing the counselling services will only hurt others who need help and may avoid it because of delusional rumors you and your moronic sjw friends made because your life is boring and trite.

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    7. ^Or, maybe it will lead to change in the Counselling Centre that our community needs. To make it able to counsel on issues of sexual consent that face us. I don't see Counselling Services being trashed here. It looks like aspects of what's going on there is being shared, for the community's sake. Do you know that place as well as you know 5e's life and motives? Your post comes across as just lashing out.

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    8. ^again, look up false premise. delusions are being "shared."

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    9. ^How do you know what he's done or hasn't done at the Counselling Centre?

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    10. ^reverse onus. try again.

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    11. 5j is right, not to mention i's argument is based on a straw man ("he behaved inappropriately in public with a coworker once, a decade ago, so clearly he's a violent rapist unworthy of trust who will prey on innocent students").

      But w/e. Nobody cares, outside of the person who keeps posting on this site about it. There are at least 4 or 5 different groups on-campus who would hypothetically care or at least be talking about this if it held any water (Feds, WPIRG, the Women's Centre, the Equity Office, and the UW Staff Association all instantly jump to mind), and none of them are. It's not that it's a low-priority item - it's not on the agenda. Even though it was very briefly when the news first hit. The fact things dissipated so quickly tells me they had nothing of substance to work with. If that ever changes, this will have my attention.

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    12. ^Speaking of which, if you do feel strongly about this issue and think it should be something decision-makers are actively concerned with, shoot an email to any of the members of the Student Services Advisory Committee (who oversees the funding and performance of Counselling Services): https://uwaterloo.ca/secretariat-general-counsel/committees-and-councils/student-services-advisory-committee/student-services-advisory-committee-membership

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    13. 5k/l, since staff aren't allowed to talk on campus or at work about what happened or what's happening regarding fallout that continues, without facing reprimands, you're not going to have anything of substance to work with. Most staff likely don't even know what happened. So they wouldn't know how this affects their day to day work. It's all being sealed away. Staff who do know, know better to come forward, given the atmosphere. Or they've long ago decided what side of their bread gets buttered, and sided with Counselling Services management.
      Since the most direct incidents involve staff and not students (except in important ways they wouldn't know what to ascribe to), the student groups listed won't know how this matters to them, so this wouldn't be a priority for them at all. Sorry I don't have better answers that would help you.

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  6. omg20801
    student service fee increase, finance report highlights.
    omg20768
    cancelation experiences and trends, scheduling fraud
    omg20791
    UW institutional tolerance of sexual violence.
    omg20780
    feasibility of alternatives to counseling services
    www.omguw.com/2014/11/20036.html
    omg20030
    CS groper creeps out, alternatives (10 comments)

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    1. ^sorry this was meant as part of 8 below.

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  7. 5j, since you asked from what we know it started 7 years ago, and has been suppressed at the Counselling Centre ever since. Nothing's been done by UW to restrict or reprimand him. Staff aren't allowed to talk about it at work or on campus. He's still free to counsel females students and no one's given a warning about him unless they find out through alternate means like this site.

    A quick OMGUW Table of Contents on Counselling Services harassment, for anyone who wants to catch up on the omgs on this so far:
    Some of these include police involvement, the Canadian Legal Information Institute, hearings, and community discussions that have taken place since.

    www.omguw.com/2015/06/21008.html
    Feds Execs AMA! (between 20392 and 20393)
    2015 Jan 19 Q18a-u: FEDs views on unpunished sexual harassment counsellor at CS (22 comments)

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      Counseling Services staff and Dalhousie dentistry gentlemen (17 comments)
      omg20236
      CS director imprint article (3 comments)
      omg20165
      Counselling Services cost questions (22 comments)
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      brainstorming to remove the director due to malfeasance

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      women's safety concerns, management punishing victim, aims to promote groper (111 comments)
      www.omguw.com/2014/02/18476.html
      www.ask.omguw.com/2014/01/5754.html

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    3. And from earlier this year...
      www.omguw.com/2016/03/23632.html
      Must-read posts from omg23632: events from March 19th, 2016 to March 23, 2016
      10d:
      Calling Dr Morgan "notorious liar", "total crock of shit", "9 years ffs, move on. Nobody cares"
      11a:
      "everything you said in 10d sounds angry and personal. And you want OP to go to Counselling Services. Do you counsel with that mouth?"
      11i:
      "student apology" for 10d, based on "long discussion with a friend", with denial of Counselling Services involvement, plug for Counselling Services, denial that Counselling Services staff "would come on OMGUW to bash on their colleague", expectation that most staff are unaware of the sexual harassment incident, "So don't blame them"
      15:
      summary of Counselling Services situation, (A wise man said "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".
      All eyes on Counselling Services.)
      23c:
      plea to UW President,

      Not must-reads (skip):
      1h,1j,3a,3c,5c,5f,5g,5h,6o,6q,6r,7a,7b,9e,9f,9h,22g,22h,22i spammed diverting articles pasted, causing omg23632 shutdown at 200+post view-limit,
      immediately after 23c plea to UW president Dr. Feridun Hamdullahpur
      Press "Load more..." at page bottom to view all 212 posts

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    4. Dr Morgan at Counselling Services complained that UW did not take her complaints seriously, did not investigate fairly, and instead punished her for reporting the incident.
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      Posts 8-13 for omg23658 have Canadian Legal Information Institute
      links to Dr Tracy Morgan's Human Rights Tribunal cases between 2010-2013 on sexual harassment she faced, and some reprisals she's been under since.

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    5. what a joke. you spam your own comments from omguw to support your opinion?

      look up circular logic along with the rest of the terms i gave you.

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    6. fascinating. thanks for links

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    7. @8e, support links include Canadian Legal Information Institute documentation.

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  8. Probably that everyone is pretty grumpy and meanish

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  9. The Tribunal exists to make money. In a perfect world, it would serve a purpose that leveraged actual consequences and meaningful change.

    I made a complaint regarding repeated discriminatory behaviour at the workplace ccomplete with transcript and recordings.

    I didn't want money; I wanted justice. They wanted to furnish me with a Lawyer and have me request financial damages to the sum of $15K plus.

    And no, there was no guarante that the Employer would be brought before a public inquiry. In most cases, it doesn't get past negotiations.

    You can full their forms to the brim with ideal consequences or ideas for reform but as I was told, "money is justice."

    Case in point, most Companies settle and that includes" academic" institution because at days end, they too, have a business to run, coffers to maintain, and public relations to worry for.

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    1. This is probably the most honest post on this thread.

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    2. When you want justice, you press actual charges and pursue a case in criminal court. A place where a judge can determine that the law was broken, and issue a penalty accordingly.

      You go through something like the civil courts or the tribunal, you're filing a complaint and asking for damages. Compensation can be compelled in the form of money, with a decision made on a balance of probabilities. That's the system.

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    3. It's problematic when civil tribunals abdicate the power they have. Civil tribunals can do a lot more than monetary judgments. And they also can make public pronouncements. It varies by tribunal. There are also cases where a human rights violation is not a crime. So that removes criminal courts as an option.

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    4. ^Why are civil tribunals even a thing? The only people I want making legal judgements are qualified judges, thanks.

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  10. That looks really frustrating when the process's goal from the start won't include your need. What tribunal and ground for discrimination? Or are you bound by confidentiality from saying specifics? Yes it seems useless if all you can hope for from the process is to get your legal fees paid to go through the process.

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