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OMG:I am constantly amazed at and disgusted with the immorality of our society.

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  1. me too. very few people will understand you but you are absolutely right.

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    1. I appreciate it.

      I know most people won't understand (or will be openly hostile) but I think it's important to remind them that not everyone agrees with them.

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    2. I agree also.

      It seems we are a unique form of human.

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    3. Hurr I'm also a special snowflake

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  2. me three. For example, why are people muslim?

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    1. OP here: that is not at all what I was talking about. I don't think it makes a difference to God how you worship him, provided that you do, by standing up for the equality of all people, and seeking to improve the lives of all.

      I don't happen to be Muslim, but I have nothing against those who are, and find Islam to be the best way for them to express their faith.

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    2. OP, you are one disgusting motherfucker.

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    3. 2a...

      "Equality of all people"...?

      You don't know much about Islam, do you?

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    4. obviously here: I agree to disagree.

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  3. because morality is just a matter of perspective

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    1. No, it's not. Murder is immoral. Rape is immoral. Use of illicit drugs is immoral.

      You and I might disagree about what it means to be moral in some cases, but that doesn't mean that morality is a matter of perspective. It means one of us is wrong.

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    2. I don't really care if you're religious, but saying morality isn't a matter of perspective and "You and I might disagree about what it means to be moral" in the same sentence makes no sense. If you can disagree and both have valid reasons then it's a matter of perspective.

      Example: Murder is immoral. Putting down a horse is moral. Providing a peaceful assisted suicide to a dying cancer patient is moral. Ending an unborn life because there they would live their whole lives shackled with severe disability is moral...wups, all of those are contentious and a matter of opinion.

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    3. If you would have read to the end of my post, you might have understood what I meant, but to put it in different words: we can disagree (and clearly do), but we don't both have valid reasons. With those issues that we disagree on, one of us is wrong and one of us is right. Ultimately, it is either moral or immoral to murder unborn children (to take one example), as determined by God, whose opinion is the only one that really matters.

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    4. Ah ok, so I'm just wrong then and none of my reasons are valid? And its because the Bible says so?

      Wait, so does that mean I can own a Mexican slave, or are we not going by Old Testament morality? If the former then even you can see that the word of God tells you to do something immoral. If the latter then the word of God isn't unassailable truth, can be changed, and therefore morality is relative.

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    5. Morality isn't dictated by a god you fuckwad. People are born and raised with morality. You think before religion was invented people didn't know killing and stealing were wrong?

      Morality is absolutely subjective, and is influenced by the culture and surroundings in which you were raised.

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    6. 3d: I didn't say anything about the Bible. I'm not a fundamentalist. Of course slavery is immoral.

      God created the universe in the way that He felt was best, even though that included immorality. It's not that morality is relative or that what is moral can change. It's that God created the universe in such a way that people's opinions change over time. That doesn't mean that there is no absolute morality.

      3e: Care to explain when you think religion was "invented"? Faith in a higher being has been with humanity for millennia, certainly at least as long as written history. I have no idea what people did before the idea of a higher being occurred to them. Perhaps there never was such a time. As for your statement that morality is subjective, you and I seem to be using the word "morality" differently. I'm referring to what is right and just. You're referring to what people think is right and just.

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    7. For the record, it is possible to disagree (especially on issues of morality) without one of the parties to the disagreement being wrong. Of course, that doesn't mean either of them is necessarily right.

      OP - the key to remember here is that we live in a society which is, to what extent it can be, predominantly pluralistic. In other words, everybody has a series of different concepts they value, and over the course of a typical day might make any number of judgements wherein they way those values against each other in the context of their own personal beliefs. Modern society has evolved in a framework that believes it's more important to let individuals decide for themselves what values matter most, rather than imposing a set of values on the population. However, we do make *some* judgements publicly in order to create stability (I.e. Criminal law aimed at protecting personal security, property rights, etc).

      You're plenty welcome to disapprove of the values of others, and to say "that is not the decision I would make," but it's important to remember that ethics and morality is ultimately just a social construct made by humans, and there is nothing that makes your own values innately or objectively superior to those of others.

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    8. There are some issues that, I agree, it is best to let individuals decide on --- economic policy, for example. I don't think there is a strong moral mandate for any particular economic policy, except in very specific situations.

      However, there are some issues where there is an overwhelming moral mandate for one side or the other, and in those cases, it is necessary that a certain action be legally required, as well. You acknowledge this in mentioning the judgments made to create stability. I simply believe that more issues than you do fall under that umbrella.

      I fundamentally disagree with the statement that ethics and morality are social constructs. Absolute right and wrong do exist, and should be adhered to as best as possible. Seeing, though, as we do disagree so fundamentally, there's not really any point in arguing this further.

      I hope that you come to see the importance of distinguishing right from wrong, and I hope that we all improve our abilities to recognize and act on what is right.

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    9. Sorry 3f, you were using God's opinion as backup for your opinions. Was it silly to think you were referring to the word of God? Since you're not actually referring to anything but your own understanding of what God wants please realize this is strictly an opinion (which is the Bible too as far as I'm concerned).

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    10. 3h, you seem to misunderstand me. I said morality is a social construct, but I wasn't trying to imply that it's therefore meaningless or "up to your own point of view." I'm neither a nihilist nor a moral relativist - but I do enjoy the study of ethics.
      I think right and wrong DO exist, and that each individual has a duty to search for it in their own lives, but I also don't think you can get outside of the human experience to determine that. What has come to be right and what has come to be wrong is a product of the human condition, and if we can understand humanity and cultivate a respect for the agency of those around us, that's how I believe we can come to understand morality. (I am a pluralist and a humanist, can you tell?)

      I've got nothing against religion (I'm Catholic, myself), but I think the danger in trying to look to a God (I.e. The most historically famous example of "something external to the human condition") to dictate what morality is, is that individuals who do so tend to become overly prescriptivist. They assume they have a complete picture of morality because they've read translated works written by men who claimed to be conveying the Word of God, and they stop trying to understand the worlds in which others move. That's dangerous and counterproductive. But it doesn't have to happen to all who are religious.

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    11. No, it wasn't silly. I'm not offended or anything that you figured I was talking about the Bible. But I think it's a common misconception that if you're a Christian you must agree with every verse of the Bible. There are lots of parts of the Bible that I don't agree with --- for example, the parts about how women should be obedient to their husbands. The important thing is to understand God's deeper message, which is sometimes hidden beneath ancient cultural practices, as a result of the environment(s) it was written in. That message is that He loves us and we should love each other, and treat each other as equals. All other moral stances must be corollaries of that most important message.

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    12. Well, I'm offended by "God created the universe".

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    13. does anyone ever grab from the weedman?

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    1. Primarily:

      * Unnecessary killing --- including terrorism, unprovoked war, homicide, suicide, abortion, euthanasia

      * Recreational use of psychoactive drugs --- sure, a lot of these are illegal and uncommon, but there's still tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, and, soon, legalized marijuana

      * Sexual immorality --- pedophilia, rape, and other forms of sexual assault and harassment; polygamy/polyamory, extra- and pre-marital sex

      Please keep in mind that I don't hold any sexual orientation or gender identity to be immoral; rather, I believe that those are simply parts of who someone is.

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    2. How is doing drugs immoral? How is premarital sex immoral?

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    3. We all belong to God. The purpose of all of our lives is to do His work, and work to understand Him better. The ability to do this is inhibited by many drugs. As for the others, God gave us the level and quality of consciousness that He did for a reason. To purposely alter that is to go against His decision.

      There is no more intimate act than sex. It is something that two people should share only when they are completely committed to each other. If you are that committed to someone, you should be able to publicly acknowledge it (i.e. by getting married).

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    4. 4c: You're taking all the fun out of ribbing on you for your logical inconsistencies. Too easy.

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    5. God created us to do His work and work to better understand Him, as I said. If, in our shortsightedness, it appears that some drug might make us better at doing that, that doesn't mean that it is ultimately for the best.

      Say you owned a construction company. You might be able to build more and faster if you owned slaves. That doesn't mean we should legalize slavery to jump-start the economy.

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    6. Hey OP, which God are you talking about anyway?

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    7. OP is another jesus freak. How about you mind your business and stop deciding for people what they do in their bedrooms or what kinda drugs they do is moral or not? How is consensual sex between two unmarried people immoral in any way? How the fuck do you know god created us to do "his" work? Because some ancient book said so? Ever heard of occam's razor? Get a fucking life OP and rant about your religious beliefs elsewhere.

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    8. So what's necessary killing? Why is suicide immoral? Why do you give a fuck about what other people decide to do with their own lives?

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    9. 4c, I'd actually argue sex is not necessarily intimate. There is a difference between sex and intimacy, even if it is common to link them. It's possible to have a non-sexual experience more intimate than any sexual encounter, and sexual encounters completely devoid of intimacy. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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    10. Some people may say that Jesus turned water into grape juice, not wine. But early Greek bibles and subsequent translations are clear: it was "οἶνος" -- "wine", not "juice", and the same word was used in the context "do not get drunk on wine" (Ephesians 5:18) It's clear that Jesus and most of his followers drank alcohol!

      Jesus is clear: we are allowed, and encouraged, to live life to the full (John 10:10). We are of course encouraged to shy away from "false friends" -- ephemeral pleasures that ultimately take more than they give (see the Parable of the Prodigal Son). But there's no point in denying pleasures for their own sake. OP, I'm afraid that by completely abstaining from alcohol, you're denying yourself from one of the pleasures that God so generously gave us!

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  5. OP, trying to impose your opinions on other people is immoral in my opinion.

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  6. Successful troll is Successful.

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    1. Life on an anonymous forum is way more fun if you take things at face value.

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  7. BASED concerned christian

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