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Updated on Monday, March 28

#23655

OMG: I'm normally very left leaning, but after all these terrorist attacks I have to ask: Why are we morally obligated to let these people into our (Western) countries? There are modernized countries like Japan and Korea who don't do shit for refugees, and no one really blames them.

I understand that Western countries are partly at fault for the instability in the middle east, but enough is enough. We shouldn't have to live in fear of people who we invite into our country.

This rant applies more to Europe than Canada.

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  1. Japan specifically doesn't like immigrants in general, and look at its population growth. Oh right, it's decreasing and their tax base is tanking with an aging population.

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    1. And replacing Western populations with assorted immigrant populations is better?

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    2. What you are describing is a separate problem and it isn't caused by Japan not letting in immigrants

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    3. ^Not really, given that we'd be in the same boat if we weren't taking in immigrants. Our overall average number of children per household is about 1.6 (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil50a-eng.htm)

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    4. @1.c while I agree, using immigration to drive population growth isn't ideal since immigrant populations massively skew towards major cities like Toronto and Vancouver. Smaller cities where immigrants don't settle slowly die out while major cities become overcrowded and unaffordable.

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  2. Just for thought: if your relatives lived in a war torn country, with a corrupted government/radical extremists, would you want them to stay in that country?
    Would you just sit and watch because there aren't obligated reasons to help?

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    1. > deys all women n children

      They are military aged men. Even the cucked pope is calling it an Invasion now. Open your eyes.

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  3. I don't want them to come to my country and force me to integrate to their backward 5th century ideology. Assimilating to them is like Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler.

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    1. that was a reply to 2 btw

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    2. How would they force you to integrate to their ideology? (Especially, if they are living in "your" country, where the ideas wouldn't be popular?)

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    3. 3b. I forget that people are this ignorant...

      They would force you to integrate to their ideology once they are in larger numbers. First it starts with special privileges like making it illegal to draw Mohammad or making it illegal to criticize Islam (which they already tried to pass in Québec) - then it only gets worse.

      They have like 6-8 kids per family, sometimes more due to polygamy, whereas Canadians are having 1.6 kids and usually after the age of 30 which means a sharp increase in premature births and birth defects.

      We are literally giving away our future and our country to these people because we cannot keep up with their breeding.

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  4. I don't mind immigrants selected on ability and skill that can contribute to the Canadian economy. However, I don't want anything to do with refugees. We don't have the money for that, it is not our responsibility, the risks outweigh the benefits etc. I see absolutely no good reason to take in those people.

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    1. Immigrants (all forms) not only take jobs not particularly desired by people born here (keeping industries afloat), but they also raise kids that often become incredibly successful members of our society. Immigrant communities are churning out university graduates while complacent "Canadian" communities are suffering from overdose epidemics. That's a huge generalization of course, but I want you guys to remember that lots of "Canadians" are way less useful or productive than the average refugee.

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    2. So who should be held responsible? Is it just a "sucks for them, that's life" type of mentality? I'd imagine thats not what you'd be thinking if the roles were reversed. The lack of sympathy is astonishing.

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    3. > "sucks for them, that's life"

      Yep. That's exactly it. Life is unfair and no, that's not what I would be thinking if the roles were reversed (that's like the good old vegan argument "how would you feel if you were a chicken?" wtf, I'm not a chicken, how does this question make any sense?)

      Like @5a said, if you're such a good person, go help them yourself, don't force other people to do it.

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    4. 4a. Where's your source for that? Official government stats actually point to immigrants (including non-refugees) being a net negative on the economy. The refugees are mostly illiterate and will have even worse stats than the others.

      Their children (African and Middle Eastern refugees) are not likely to go to University, when compared to say, Asian immigrants.

      As for your anecdotes about white kids dying of overdoses: perhaps that's a good reason to stop letting in massive waves of immigrants so that these kids can have a better future. Their schools are underfunded, social programs are non existent and their opportunities in this country are dwindling every year. There's no reason to be bringing in this human garbage with no skills whatsoever into our country other than pure charity. Don't pretend like it's a good move in any other way because the government themselves says otherwise.

      Those stats are on Stats Canada if you'd like to look them up. I can't be bothered right now but they are there.

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  5. "We shouldn't have to live in fear"

    And neither should the refugees fleeing a war-zone. I'll take saving the lives of 1000s from certain death over the paranoid delusions of the extreme right.

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    1. Why should other people have to pay for your cuckoldry? If you're such a good person, you should put money out of your pocket and host refugees in your house.
      People dying is a sad fact of life, and it is also NOT MY FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY.

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    2. @5.b: Not everyone's a selfish weirdo like you, m8. It's called charity.

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    3. Forced charity is evil. If you want to help them, do it yourself.

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    4. Thousands die every day in Africa from lack of proper food and living conditions. But when has the government made a big announcement and shoved in everyone's faces that they are sending resources there? Oh wait, they don't. Why should the refugee crisis be such a big deal to Canada? And why should I be looked down upon if I don't agree that my government is letting all these people into our country, when there are bigger issues that should be addressed at home than across the world?

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    5. > Paranoid Delusions

      See, this is where you're wrong. Ask Germany, Sweden, France and Britain if they still think their "far-right" was delusional about Islamic refugees...

      This influx of fighting aged Islamic men is the worst decision politicians have made since the world wars, and it could be even worse as it could lead to a massive EU civil war.

      As for Canada; we are at least screening these people, somehow. But you can't screen for whether their children will read the Qu'ran and take it seriously or not. You can't screen for the inevitable 5% or more of Muslims who are fundamentalists. And you can't screen for people who will NEVER integrate into our culture and just demand we bend over backwards to appease them. Cucks like you will comply, too. Then one day you'll have to explain to your grandkids why they are forced to live under Shariah law.

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  6. Meh. These people are fleeing for their lives, I don't see a reason not to allow asylum for some pending through background checks. The main issue for me is the number game that Trudeau is playing.

    Stating that you'll allow X number of refugees in Canada by a certain time is only responsible if it's feasible from the resources we currently have. This could include manpower for security checks, administration, medical supervision, etc. or just capital to pay for airfare, food, temporary shelter, etc.

    But when you have someone state you'll allow a massive amount of people into the country in a short amount of time one starts to worry about the reasons for this. How well will the checks go when our intelligence agencies are being pressured for background checks on people fleeing from a war-torn nation? What happens if they didn't bring any forms with them? What do you do with those in limbo? Plus it's not an exact science. There is no 100% assurance someone might slip through. Exacerbating this by allowing 200K+ is pretty dumb.

    That being said I worry more about the people UW imports for international students rather than poor people from Syria. How well are background checks for these people? Are we willing to trade our technical know how to some greedy admin wanting to justify their obnoxious sunshine list salary? Do we trade money now for money lost later due to industrial espionage? We are being lead by greedy, ideological idiots.

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