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It appalls me that Muslim women are brainwashed enough to call the hijab/niqab "empowering". This is clearly a religion that does not respect the rights of women, regardless of how you want to spin it. 

Also, has anyone considered that forcing children to fast during ramadaan is child abuse? I know children are gradually "eased" into fasting and don't start doing the full fast until they are at least teenagers, but isn't there some kind of a law against this kind of bull?

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  1. Some see it as a sign of femininity and enjoy that. That's not for you to decide. Seriously, if someone finds it personally positive, it's none of your business.

    You could just as well say that forcing children to forego meat during Catholic lent is child abuse. Why isn't there a law against that?

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    1. Not eating meat and not eating at all isn't the same thing

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    2. Are you aware that fasting during ramadaan means going without water from sunrise to sundown in the middle of summer? How is that even COMPARABLE to going without meat?

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    3. OK, I find it personally positive to call Jewish people kikes, so I'm going to start doing that.

      The issue is that it is overwhelmingly a sign of the subjugation of women. If people want to use their freedom in North America to cover up their bodies, that's great, but don't do it with something that's already associated with an evil ideology. In fact the hijab/niqab is a less powerful statement because it's ambiguous as to the purpose. It's really a safety blanket -- from the point of view of religion they're falling into line but from other points of view they're expressing their femininity.

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  2. I would say that wearing it is no more or less empowering than going around with little clothing on. Empowerment is more about how it makes the wearer feel. I've thought about this before and, honestly, some might say that being compelled to put the majority of your body on display for men to ogle is less empowering. Again, it doesn't matter as long as the wearer is the one in control of what they are wearing. That's the most important bit.

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    1. Wearing whatever you want IS empowering, including a head scarf or a bikini. Covering up in the name of a religion that does not respect women as a whole? That's not empowerment, that's brainwashing.

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  3. Yes, keep mansplaining to muslim women that they are brainwashed.

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    1. wow mansplaining is an actual word

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  4. It is also a political statement as Islam is inherently political.

    I am just happy we don't have any of those ninja suit things on campus

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    1. @4 I think you and I have reached the same conclusion. ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION. It is a political system, which includes a religion as part of the package.

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  5. I honestly should even have to tell you that the Islamic religious text does not force children to fast and that even for adults where it is obligatory, even then if it in any way has a negative impact on your health the religion mandates that you do not fast. However all of the above information is accessible to you if you bother to look for it. Instead it's easier to just come to a conclusion based on your apparent lack of knowledge and than make dramatic gestured at how we need to "save the children " or something.

    Also this whole idea that Islam is political is quite funny to me. This conclusion is one perpetuated by the political agenda of the media giants. For example if reality =media, the world terrorism would be 99 % Islam, but that's not reality (surprise!) in reality Islam accounts for less than 2% of terrorism worldwide.

    Now the hillarious thing is that in any other context it would be laughable for people to make such grand conclusions about something when there is no string research. Apparently we become experts in Islam when we watch a 5 min CNN clip and read an opinion paper online. That would be like someone watching a discovery Channel episode on wildlife and then speaking as if they are a qualified zoologist whose conclusions are on par with published pieces in an academic journal.

    It's an insult to your intelligence really and a massive contradiction.

    How is it that it has become acceptable for people to recite more grand claims and conclusions about a religion than they can authenticated supporting facts. Don't back yourself up with heresay or out of context quote mining from the Internet.

    Someone should have told me that the rules changed, apparently it's done believe everything you read on the internet without verifying unless it's negative views on Islam.

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    1. I don't disagree in general, but that 2% figure is absolutely wrong. If just the ISLAMIC STATE isn't responsible for more than 2% of terrorism worldwide I will eat my hat. Its true that the destabilization of the region in which Islam is rooted is at least in part responsible for this but the fact is that the majority of perpetrators of terrorism are in some way related to Islam.

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    2. Nice try playing the victim and calling your opponents stupid. This is a fine example of Taqiyya. I suggest watching this lecture (given by an scholar who has studied Islam):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns1lMjK4kAM

      > It's an insult to your intelligence really and a massive contradiction.

      It's an insult to YOUR intelligence to follow a book written by uneducated desert dwellers 1400 years ago. Even if you debate the fact that Islam is evil and harmful for society, you can't debate that it is complete bullshit.

      https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

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    3. Do you really think that children/young adults are not in some way "forced" or at least "coerced" by their parents to fast? Depriving an unwilling participant (or one too young to make their own independent decisions) of food and water for more than 12 hours a day, regardless of his/her health condition, should be outlawed.

      If a non-Muslim decided to punish their child by depriving them of food and water for 12+ hours a day for a month, does the health of the victim matter in a child abuse conviction? The double standards are mind blowing when it comes to tolerating bullshit beliefs.

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    4. 5B. I really hope that "Bill Warner" isn't the beacon of knowledge you go to to learn about islam...he's laughable in the world of historians. His recounting and relaying of history is about as accurate as Donald Trump's responses to foreign policy questions. He is a physics professor with no formal training in history or religious studies. He can't even speak arabic yet claims to be an expert on the koran? Like what? Would you take your physics prof seriously if he came from strictly a sociology background and without any formal training/education now claims to be a physicist? Also In that particular video, there are lists of inaccuracies, contradictions and made up facts. (do some fact checking plz)

      If you did thorough research and made sure you weren't using a ridiculous source like Warner perhaps you would have a more informed view at least.

      Come on now, at least try to pretend you know how to conduct educated research.

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    5. 5a I'm afraid you're going to have to eat your hat lol, unless you have better data collection networks than europol and the FBI, etc.

      1. in the last 5 years of >1000 terrorist attacks in the EU, less than 2% were carried out by muslims (religiously motivated by islam) not just IS** (source- europol)

      2. from 1980 -2005 of all of the terrorist attacks taking place in the U.S 94% were NOT muslims (not religiously motivated by islam) - (SOURCE: FBI terrorism report of 2014)

      3. "Since 9/11, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism by muslims. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America’s attention killed 66 Americans, 'twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,' " (SOURCE: Charles Kurzman, Professor of Sociology at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, writing for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and National Security)
      *this doesn't even count for 1% of the 180 000...

      4. Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans (SOURCE: U.S News and World Report from February 2013)

      I think it's easy to fall into the media trap, but we're smarter than that. At least don't speak on it unless you've confirmed what you think you know. Information is out there, you just have to be willing and open-minded enough to go find it!

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    6. 5c. I don't know about you, but I've seen my fair share of muslim homes and actually the exact opposite happens.

      It's like the kid that wants to be a grown-up and where their mums heels. Children will try to fast and beg their parents to wake up to have the early breakfast before fasting begins and it's the parents that are begging the children to not fast and telling them they are too young.

      For example, my friend's niece tried to fast and she was 8 years old and her parents would come up with little tricks to deter her like make up rules that for little kids you only have to fast until 1 o clock (which is lunch time anyways) so the little girl thought she was a grown up and was fasting.

      I think we can sometimes vilify things that are unfamiliar to us and that we don't understand. It's in our nature as faulted human beings. But much like a scientist collecting data, leave your biases as far away as possible and simply observe things as they are and don't make a conclusion until you have enough data.

      I suppose unless you have experience you can come to conclusions based off of misunderstanding and gaps in knowledge. Instead of claiming a position, just ask for more information. Premature conclusions are the worst kind.

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    7. @5e: I was mostly thinking about the terrorism in the middle east actually. EU and US is peanuts. Although, I'll admit that I'm surprised by the EU stat. Who are these terrorists?

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    8. @5e

      > """"""""(not religiously motivated by Islam)""""""""

      What a lying pos you are.

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    9. 5f, thank you for your anecdotal evidence. Don't pretend to come from a higher ground when you have nothing more than personal experience and inductive logic to back your claim up.

      Even if all Muslim families are so kind to their children like the one you mentioned, would enacting a law that bans fasting for children have any negative impact then? I don't think so.

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  6. The retarded neckbeards are out in full swing it seems.

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  7. What I really find funny here is that the OP thinks he's being progressive and sensitive towards women when really he's being heavily discriminatory. Telling women that they're brainwashed and shouldn't have to wear something is just control on the opposite end of the spectrum. He's also assuming that ALL Muslims are devout and follow every aspect of the religion. Many Muslim women don't wear hijab and plenty of Muslim men have no problem with their wives being the breadwinner. Lots of Muslims don't participate in Ramadan or even go to mosque regularly just as lots of Catholics don't observe lent or go to church all the time. OP's perception of Muslims is heavily biased by the media and based on almost zero fact.

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  8. women who wear hijabs do so of their own free will, and do so to privatize their sexuality rather than advertise it. it forces men to deal with their minds and listen to their words, and prevents them from objectifying them. it is totally empowering. and children are not forced to fast, they are eased into it into teenagehood. medical science has long established intermittent fasting is amazing/optimizes health. not to mention teaching humility for those starving and less fortunate. get your head out your ass, you sound like the one who is brainwashed

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    1. You are so fucking brainwashed it's not even funny

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    2. 8a: what a strong argument you've made...

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    3. @8b, sorry, I'm not arguing with children who believe in Santa Claus.

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    4. 8c. who said I believe in anything. Im just pointing out things which are an actual reality about fasting and why Muslim women fast. What about what I said above indicates I believe in Santa as you say? seems like you're the one being childish here

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    5. @8d, are you a Muslim, yes or no? Don't pretend to argue with objectivity while you are litterally parroting Muslim memes straight from Facebook (hijab = empowering, fasting = good for you, Islam = best religion).
      See, there is an intellectual threshold for having a meaningful discussion and you are not crossing it now in any of your comments now. At least have the decency to admit you are a Muslim. We can't talk about other things until we have established that.

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  9. LOL female hajabi's I call 'em! They give me the huh-jeebies! They're nothing but a gang of terrorists. They're the ones responsible for terrorism across North America and they also behave lazy, no working on Friday afternoons for them!

    Nasty creatures, I see them taking cups into the washrooms 'cause they gotta clean their bodies before they pray, using the toilet water! Nasty, nasty, nasty! I feel ashamed they're allowed to be in the same buildings as humans, you know, you and me, actual PEOPLE. Worst part is that they LOVE dressing up, even though they have to cover their heads. It's like circumventing their own laws, they'll wear high heels, do their nails, wear eyeliner, etc, which technically don't violate the rules of their so-called "religion" (halaal, mi'right?).

    Threw up a little just thinking about it. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.

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    1. I wouldn't be surprised that this "racist" post was written by a Muslim trying to discredit those who attack his religion. If not, I personally think this goes too far. Our ennemies are not Muslim people, but their belief system. This kind of vicious rhetoric is detrimental to our cause...

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  10. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-preacher-who-raped-and-tortured-his-five-year-old-daughter-to-death-is-released-after-paying-8480440.html

    Just leaving this here....

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