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Change my view: the earth belongs to everyone. Nations should not have the right to close their borders, especially in a time where wars and climate change force people to migrate. 


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  1. I do not want to change your view. I think it's a good one. We need to stop with this mentality that people who happen to be from other countries have a life that is worth less than our own.

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  2. An open-door immigration policy and a modern welfare state cannot coexist for very long. Either the borders will have to close, or the benefits will have to be cut off.

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  3. So why don't you go a step further and declare that your house belongs to everyone? Then maybe when you wake up one morning and you find 10 hobos sleeping on your couch/eating food from your fridge/shitting on the carpet you'll understand the importance of borders.

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  4. Nations should have the right to look out for their own interests. At the same time, they have a moral obligation in our global world to respond to humanitarian crises beyond their borders.

    Regarding refugees: it's worth noting taking in refugees is generally a good thing. By definition, refugees tend to be middle class, since the super-wealthy tend to be fine in their own country, and the poor typically can't afford to get out. So taking in refugees = growth in trained, middle class workers.

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  5. I like it OP. "Everyone and everything belongs to everyone". Sounds like one of my favourite novels, Brave New World.

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    1. I don't think you understood brave new world at all.

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  6. immigration is all fun and games, until someone gets beheaded...

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  7. OP's suggestion would create one hell of a mess.

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  8. There's also the problem with people abusing the refugee system, lying to get better benefits in different countries.

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  9. Everyone who can would flock to more developed nations to exploit better working opportunities, more government services, and a higher quality of life. Immigrants tend to earn less than the average person in a developed country for a long time after they enter, so if that country is nice and has a progressive income tax system, that means that immigrants will be coming in, using government services, and basically paying nothing for them. Costs would skyrocket and you would probably see either a decrease in quality or a very large backlash against immigration soon after.

    It sounds nice to open the borders to everyone, but it isn't so straightforward.

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  10. Migrants =/= refugees. Being pushed out of your home by threat of force isn't the same as just wanting to move to another place because you feel like it.

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  11. If someone wants to come to Canada and become Canadian, learn English/French, and support Canada I have no problem with it. But if someone wants to come to Canada to "get away from their home culture" then try to change Canada to be just like home, not learn English/French, and only be part of their small, closed society, they can GTFO.

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  12. Let's make a more relatable example: when there are people that are homeless in the winter, you have no right to refuse them residence in your house. This is exactly what people were required to do in communist countries.

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