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So is uw sticking to this "we don't ever close" Even though Laurier is under potential threat?

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  1. It will take a student death to change the system.

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    1. To be fair, a student has already died...

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    2. I should have clarified that a student death would have to happen in the contexts of not shutting down the school.

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  2. Did you see the alleged threat itself on 4chan? It was so specific (i.e. it named the exact building), there was really no likelihood UW was at all affected or implicated.

    I'm sure UW admin were in contact with the police about the issue, and were advised that there was no likely risk. I'm sure if that wasn't the case, they would have locked down too (for instance, if there was an actual shooter on the WLU campus, UW would absolutely be in lockdown mode).

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    1. Laurier is located so close to UW that the shooter could easily be driving or walking down the same street as students on their way to UW. If Laurier closes, UW should too in this situation. Safety first. You don't fuck around with school shooting threats.

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    2. Did you read what I said 2a? If there was a shooter at WLU, then UW would close.

      There was not a shooter at WLU. We also don't know what additional information the police had (clearly they knew SOMETHING we didn't, because they made an arrest today in connection with this threat - in the UK). Clearly, the police had cause to think that UW - and the elementary schools near WLU (that are closer to Laurier than Waterloo is) - were not at risk, and the admin agreed with them.

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    3. 2.b it's cute how you're trying to defend a poorly thought out statement. "IF there's a shooter," because there isn't a shooter until there's a shooter? But what if the first person the shooter shoots is a UW student walking down King while the shooter is on the way to shoot up Laurier? We wait until they start shooting to act? And if police thought the threat wasn't credible, then they wouldn't have shut down Laurier and released the information to the public. Geez, it's OK to be wrong sometimes...

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    4. 2c, I didn't say the police thought the threat wasn't credible. I said that, based on the information they had (and we don't know exactly how much information they *did* have at the time), the threat to UW was not bad enough for them to recommend closure of the campus.

      Again, if they really thought it was bad, I'm pretty sure they'd recommend closing the GRADE SCHOOL which is RIGHT BEHIND LAURIER before they'd recommend closing the campus of the other university three blocks up.

      As for my response in 2b, I was referring to the scenario in which someone showed up on the Laurier campus (without making a prior threat) and started shooting the place up. If that happened, UW would go into lockdown, no question.

      But if what they did was make a threat? Well, that depends on the nature of the threat. "People in the Laurier Science Building tomorrow will be sorry" doesn't exactly sound like you should be cowering in fear all the way over in MC now, does it? On the other hand "I will turn University Avenue into a bloodbath like Waterloo's never seen before" is probably pretty serious, and implicates both universities.

      Also, I think it's worth pointing out that the UW campus going into lockdown wouldn't protect students that are already heading up university avenue and are passing Laurier in the first place.

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    5. You talk about how we don't know how much information the police had, then predicate most of your argument on speculating about the exact nature of the threat. And the grade school not closing (by the way, doing the internet equivalent of yelling by typing in caps doesn't make one more persuasive, it just shows you're desperate to drive home questionable points) has nothing to do with arguing that UW should have closed as well because of proximity. It just suggests that the grade school fucked up as well by not closing. Anytime you have a threat of a person en route to campus with a gun (I'm assuming the shooter targeting the science building doesn't live there and does in fact have to get there), you have to assume that if the shooter passes what he/she thinks are Laurier students on the way, he/she will potentially decide to fire on them (or will he/she say "oh, I only threatened the science building, so I'd better pass up this opportunity and wait until then). Look up Eliot Rodger's shooting. People were killed in the vicinity, and en route. The demographic referrred to in the threat are university students - it only makes sense to lockdown the other school down the street, because in doing so you will remove students from that school from the area that the shooter will presumably be present, thus removing them from danger. That's what good locking down UW will do. With a threat of this magnitude, one is better safe than sorry.

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    6. "With a threat of this magnitude..." now you're just inflating the whole situation into something it wasn't. As I keep saying, admin made their decision based on advice from the police. I trust the police to be able to grasp the fullness of the situation with enough clarity to give appropriate advice to the appropriate parties. At the very least, I expect them to have a better sense for this sort of thing than either of us do, anonymous internet person.

      Besides, I get the impression they investigated it as a bomb threat, not a shooting threat. The actions they took seemed to indicate that. Why would UW need to close for a bomb threat at Laurier?

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    7. Inflating the situation into something it wasn't? Only with hindsight. When there's a threat to shoot up a school that is eerily similar to one that was just carried out, that's pretty serious business. And you get the impression it's being investigated as a bomb threat? Now you're moving the goalposts, stick to known facts please.. And I thought anonymous internet people shouldn't speculate? If it comes out that it was a bomb threat, then I would agree that UW should've stayed open. But going by just the facts, a shooting threat should absolutely close down a nearby school for the reasons I already outlined.

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  3. Okay but really why are people freaking out about today.

    1. The threat was directed at Laurier and specifically the science building. Yes they're down the street but even if an attack happened there would be a good amount of time for UW to react ESPECIALLY since Laurier was being observed by the Waterloo Region Police

    2. Laurier had a lot less to lose if they did close down as most of the students are already gone as it's their reading week. If UW did shut down there would be be midterms and test that would need to be rescheduled and we could potentially have to have another saturday class to make up for the loss of today.

    3. I hate to say this BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A TROLL POST. 4Chan has been full of these "joke" post after the Oregon shooting. It was even posted in the States. It sucks and I understand that one day one of these troll could be a copycat but this probably wasn't one of those times. Again if it was there was police already in play so it probably wouldn't have been anything.

    I get that people are angry and want the school to shut down more often but with the sheer size of UW it's really hard. Yes, some students live near Laurier (myself included) and didn't want to leave their homes just in case but we're adults and we're able to make that decision. UW took all the information they had and made what they thought was the best decision. This case is very different from when they don't close down for extreme weather.

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    1. They made an arrest today. The guy was living in the UK.

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  4. > potential threat

    kek

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  5. UW doesn't care about their students... They just want your money

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  6. if you're that scared, don't come to class. You're an adult, make a decision for yourself.

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