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"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - Saul of Tarsus

Time to grow up kids.
Time to give up your cantonese cartoons and taiwanese RPGs. Time to stop torrenting shoujo HBO show about a magical dragon girl. Time to stop watching White Anglo-Saxon Protestant 3D cartoons about talking cars, toys coming alive and a dumbass motherfucking fish getting lost. 
It's time to stop.

34 comments

  1. a) that's St. Paul to you
    b) "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant 3D cartoons" - what the fuck?

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    1. At the very least "white" is redundant and "protestant" almost surely does not factor in. I don't see why you specified two different types of cartoons instead of just saying cartoons in general, but hey... you were up on some weird hobby horse. Do your thing, or whatever.

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  2. But then I'd be as fucking boring as you.

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    1. Or you'd just consume better culture.

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    2. lol @ the idea of certain media being "better" culture than others.

      You want to argue for people to consume more intellectual things? That's fine. Then argue for people to start actively engaging with the media they consume. There's nothing like actively working to parse the ideas and message in our fiction to make us grow as people (and seek out a broader array of things to consume).

      But just saying "this is low culture, drop it!" is petty and borish of you. Let people seek out meaning in whatever way works best for them.

      Sincerely, a commenter who actively enjoys anime, video games, and HBO as much as he loves Shakespeare and Kant.

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    3. Just as an aside, I'd say HBO has several offerings that really are works of art above and beyond regular television dramas. I wouldn't count Game of Thrones in this lot (though it is fun to watch) but a lot of David Simon's earlier work fits the bill, The Sopranos, too. Other networks have had similarly distinguished offerings: Mad Men, I, Claudius, etc.

      I think television has increasingly been realized as a valid medium for high art. But that's not to say you shouldn't watch TV or take in any other form of "low-brow" culture, it's only to say there is a distinct set of human aesthetic pursuits that achieve something beyond entertainment. Namely, the distinction is that "high-brow" culture seeks to edify us through beauty. (Which is not to say the subject is beautiful, but beauty is apparent in the artistic act or artifact.)

      To your comment then, being able to intellectually engage with a piece of art is important and here I think you're right: you can intellectualize pretty much anything you want and doing so is generally better than mindless consumption. (Though the experience of high-art is often beyond intellectualization in the moment. Rather you experience transcendence and intellectualize later.) However, that's not to say that all forms of media consumption ought to be seen as equally valid.

      Basically I would make the following claim: We should be reflective about our media consumption, as you say, because reflection is good in itself. And as human beings we also have a need for the beautiful so we should seek higher artistic creations to satisfy ourselves in this regard.

      As a corollary, unreflective consumption might help people pass time by giving their mind a focus besides its own boredom but I think this reveals a needless waste of the human experience. We don't need to live maximally all the time but there are many more positive experiences that we should seek first before resorting to passive media distractions.

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    4. 2b here. Very well-said 2c, we're in agreement.

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  3. AH YES, BETTER CULTURE MY GOOD MAN. ALLOW ME TO ADJUST MY MONOCLE AND TELL YOU ALL THE WAYS THE ORIGINAL STORY OF HOMER'S ILIAD IS VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THAT LOW BROW POPULIST CHILDSPLAY VERGIL CALLS HIS EPIC THE AENEAD. FOR IT WAS NOTHING BUT FAULTY POPYCOCK EMPIRCAL PROPAGANDA AND A CHEAP COPY OF THE TRUE HOMERIC MASTERPIECE. AND ANY REEEAL CULTURED GENTLEMAN READS NOTHING LESS THAN CLASSICAL GREEK.

    fuck off u cultural gate keeper.

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  4. Pretty sure Paul the apostate was talking about his religious conversion from judaisim to early gentile christianity there, not telling people they shouldn't play video games. But that's OK, you go take life advice out of context from a hallucinotory zealous virgin.

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    1. Not sure if you're a Jew taking a dig at Paul or if you just don't know the difference but the word you're looking for is Apostle.

      In any case, I've never heard that interpretation, it doesn't really make sense in the context of the chapter, and various online commentaries say nothing of the sort.

      E.g. http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

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  5. "When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
    - C.S Lewis

    I agree that it's a good thing to face the new responsibilities you have as an adult, and not hide from them. But growing up doesn't have to mean leaving your hobbies behind.

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    1. Slam dunk, I think the convo can more or less end here.

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  6. I think it's far more childish to bluntly classify any kind of media as 'for kids' or 'not for kids' and then judge people for watching what you perceive as the 'wrong kind.'

    Fiction is not childish. A love of stories, and outlandish high-concept storytelling, is not childish. Shame on you for bending one of the most beautiful lines in the Bible to perverse ends.

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    1. Let's be real though, anime is literally garbage

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    2. Depends on the show IMO, 6a. Like any storytelling medium, it can range all the way from "hot garbage," to "transcendent."

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    3. @6b eva was the peak and now everything getting pumped out is moe shit RIP Japanese animation for TV

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    4. I dunno 6c, I thought Cowboy Bebop was pretty fantastic, and that came after Eva.

      Or... FMA (both versions, though I prefer the original), Serial Experiments Lain, Steins;Gate, Monster, Kino's Journey, Madoka Magica, Psycho-Pass, Usagi Drop, Monogatari, Haibane Renmei, Shin Sekai Yori, Shiki, Trigun... to name just a few.

      >50% of all anime ever made came out in the last 10 years, so it's extremely unlikely it was all trash. In fact, safe to say all my favourites fall within that time frame.

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    5. 6.d, some hidden gems like Kemono no Souja as well, which is an intellectually rousing work. I agree with you on the series you've mentioned, except the original FMA, only because I haven't seen it but loved Brotherhood.

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    6. I'm always on the lookout for another hidden gem to watch! :D

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  7. OP doesn't understand that there is a field of study that focuses entirely on children's television. Someone has to write it, animate it, act it, and so on, and it is almost never kids. Someone also has to vet it. People also study it for a combination of age appropriateness, understanding the lessons taught, how kids respond to it, how to sell it, merchandising, academic understandings of the material, and so on.

    OP sounds like the kind of person that would prefer children go to the mines when they hit puberty.

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    1. 7, considering that OP was classifying Game of Thrones (which is definitely NOT children's television) as a "childish thing" in their post, these facts are probably irrelevant to them.

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    2. @7a and @7 I love how you don't at all understand the point. Game of Thrones isn't for kids but it is childish for an adult to enjoy such a show. Same thing for anime and video games, there are a lot of games and shows that are for adults but doesn't make it intellectually satisfying if you are a grown man.

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    3. 7b, all I can do is refer you to 2b, 2c, and 5, who basically said everything worth saying in response to your comment.

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    4. Also (7c here again), why does everything we enjoy have to be intellectually heightened? There's something to be said for occasionally being able to turn your brain off and watch something mindless.

      (not that I haven't seen a plethora of intellectually complex animated works, mind you - they definitely exist)

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  8. TIL that children have a monopoly on entertainment, apparently.

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  9. Lol get over yourself OP

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  10. OP, you sounds like someone who doesn't understand why everyone finds them boring and insufferable company.

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  11. Fuck you. I still watch Pinky & the Brain and Timon & Pumba, or the old WB cartoons full of casual sexism, racism, and violence.

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  12. OP DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I love anime, manga and watching Korean dramas!!! Ice stopped watching anime because I'm in 4th year now but will resume after exams:) idk what Cantonese cartoons you're talking about...to me Cantonese cartoons ate just Cantonese dubbed anime (no fun!)

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    1. yes. i saw the typo right after i submitted. too lazy to change it by replying to my own comment. =_=

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  13. I'm confused about why OP is so angry...

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