OMG UPDATE: Like us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter to get updates on updates!

Updated on Friday, August 28

#21222

OMG: I can honestly say that before moving to the Waterloo area I have never seen such self-centered, myopic people in my life. Is it an Ontario thing where more inclusion means more exclusion? I'm not bitter myself as I can exploit this to my advantage, but I feel sorry for those coming to the area who will find out first hand how truly shitty it is here.

39 comments

  1. Want to cite some examples, OP?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Yes. You for one.

      Delete
    2. The international students generally only associate with their own people. They are also very antisocial, it makes going to this school a drag. I'm glad their tuition went up. When my father moved immigrated here, he did everything he could to integrate. Immigrants today are not like him.

      Delete
    3. @1.b I am a glad to hear that your father was such a good immigrant! Your father was so special. I've heard that the government has tested every single immigrant since your father came to Canada and no one has been better than your father. Fuck those bastard international students, every single one of them deserves to get a double tuition! I am an international student and you know what? I hate myself as well! I am very antisocial and I never try to integrate. Shame on me! Please UW punish me. I want to pay $90k for the next term.

      Delete
    4. @1.c Canada doesn't owe you anything. You're the bitch. You take it up the ass however we tell you to take it because the door is always open for you to go back home.

      Delete
    5. @1.d Oh no. I have been mislead my whole life. I thought Canada owes me everything. Read my comment again, moron. How the fuck did you think I said Canada owes me anything? Universities need international students more than domestic students. If we go home you also go home to your parents' home since universities would have to charge you much more if international students stopped paying tuition. The door is open for both of us, bitch.

      Delete
    6. @1.e You're quite delusional if you think Canada "needs" international students. People here are quite tired of having to put up with entitled immigrants.

      Delete
    7. @1.f You're confusing Canadian universities, the Canadian government, and Canadians. I regret arguing with you. It's not worth it.

      Delete
    8. @1.g Canada needs less international students compared to what we have currently. We should be seeking the best students rather than accepting anyone with money.

      Delete
    9. @1.h I am an international student and I agree that Canadian universities should be accepting better international (and domestic) students. I don't want people to think less of me just because I am an international student even though UW actually gave me money to study here. However, saying that Canada needs less international students doesn't make any sense. International students are a huge source of income for Canadian universities and you just can't deny that.

      Delete
    10. @1.i They are a source of income which should be stopped. Internationals should pay a fee equal (taking into account the various subsidies) to what it costs per domestic student to take the same course. Admissions should be more selective for both domestic and international students. Administrative costs should be cut drastically on the executive levels like getting rid of new Associate Dean positions and the like.

      Delete
    11. @1.j Well, don't hate on international students then, because as an international student I would kill to see that dream come true.

      Delete
    12. @1.k I hate everyone.

      Delete
    13. 1.j are you saying the admission requirement is lower for international students? any source?

      Delete
    14. ^How many fail the ELPE? If the university would provide stats then it would be proven quite easily.

      Delete
  2. It's generally Waterloo and Toronto, as well as those cities closer to the U.S. border.

    Though, if you weren't born into one of the smaller cities in Ontario or are an easy to distinguish visible minority, you'll get excluded from those as well.

    People seem to magically think that because it's Canada people are extremely peaceful and nice. This has definitely not how I've seen it the past 25 years. Most of the terrible things you can describe going on in the U.S. is analogously occurring simultaneously in Canada as well. It's generally the ethnic minorities that like to cause trouble as well.

    Unfortunately, the older generation has been steadily leaving Canada, either to other countries or through passing away. You can easily see the actual Canadians themselves becoming a minority by simply going to your local store or bank. The top banks, such as RBC and CIBC, love putting foreign text (Mandarin and Arabic are the ones I commonly observe) in front of their offices. Many ethnic local newspapers have been becoming more popular and have been replacing traditional newspapers provided in English.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. lol @ "Actual Canadians" by which I know you mean white people. Every single damn race other than the natives of Canada is an immigrant.

      Delete
    2. False. Some families have been here long enough that they cannot be considered European.

      Delete
  3. Honestly, I don't think any place is perfect. Even in the top cities of the world, you're going to end up finding some fault. Not everyone is going to be nice and it's just a fact of life. Everyone was an immigrant at one time or another. I'm not an international student, but I remember for one of my co-ops I had to go to Japan. And honestly, integrating to a new culture is so hard. I remember trying my best to speak Japanese and learn about Japanese culture. I still speak to many of the friends I made there, but I found myself stuck in that "foreign bubble" with other foreigners because we spoke the same language, grew up in the same culture and understood what it felt like to be excluded. Even local students find themselves feeling stressed out , just give internationals a bit of break will you?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I was never an immigrant along with everyone born in Canada.

      Delete
    2. What a bullshit excuse. There were people here in Canada before your family settled in your home country.

      Delete
  4. Ontario likes to drastically favour affirmative action over skill/ability I find. It's almost to an extreme when considering, for example education, where younger students are given a free pass compared to mature students. The province and select institutions like to discriminate via age, but they'll word it in a way where they can deny it's ageism.

    Also I find that general commitment in Ontario is severely lacking. People simply shrug off responsibility constantly as if it doesn't matter. I've seen this a number of times dealing with financial transactions. People arbitrarily change dates of fulfillment without consulting the other interested party. I see this a lot with rentals, so much more than in the U.S. or Western Canada. Or it could also be regarding social commitment also I find. Many people in Ontario just think of themselves. They will promise something at one time, but then when you ask for the assistance that was promised these same individuals will give a sense of false indignation. As if you were to know they were simply bullshitting rather than being a concerned friend .

    ReplyDelete
  5. I have always been a Canadian nationalist, and I will say that the changes international students have brought with them are not good ones. I would rather not take your absurd wealth and have the city we had before than have your wealth "improve" it.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Uhm I really don't know what you guys are talking about. I've lived in several countries through Asia, North America and Europe, and people in Canada met as an intenational student in Waterloo have generally been the nicest. Maybe it was even nicer before and that is what you are comparing against, I don't know.

    And yeah, the whole thing where not speaking Mandarin will cut socialization opportunities with maybe 20%-30% of the students is a bit of a drag, but there's plenty of interesting, fun, and amazingly nice and polite people in the other 70%-80%.

    ReplyDelete
  7. I have no problem with international students. They work hard, their tuition pumps money into our school, and typically they become productive citizens. My only qualm would be international students who become TAs/Profs who can't speak English, but thats a generalization.

    Unless you're aboriginal, its hypocritical to hate on immigrants. My family has been here for generations, but way back they were immigrants too, and had to deal with similar struggles of immigrants today. Cut them some slack.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. False. My ancestors have been in this country long enough that this country is our homeland. Sure, I'm descended from the colonists, but I am descended from the first wave of settlers. My family has been here for 300-400 years.

      The first generation Canadians are infinitely more pleasant than (specifically male) immigrants and international students from 3rd world countries. The women are not nearly as bad because their culture demands they be more considerate of others than their male counterparts, which generally leads to them not creating problems.

      The Middle Eastern fucks I lived with left doors open during the day, causing pest infestations, pissed on the toilet seat, got water from their anus cleaning walmart brand water bottles all over the fucking floor costing the landlord close to $1000 in plumbing inspections (until he finally realized what was going on).

      To quote my landlord, who is a first generation Canadian whose parents are immigrants from one of those 3rd world countries I mentioned "The problem is that people from these backwater nations have no idea what is acceptable in terms of cleanliness, and it creates infinite problems for me to rent to these people." I corrected him and pointed out that it is primarily the males who are problematic, as women and servants do all the housework in those nations, not men.

      Delete
    2. Ehhh I don't know 7. I'm aboriginal, family has been here since the last ice age or something. No idea, but it's been a long fucking time.

      I don't think immigrants of today have the same situations as say immigrants from the 1800s. Back then it was up to the person to survive. There was no social structure, per se aside from the church, to really provide assistance for those who immigrated. You either worked hard and survived, or you died. I have ancestors from the 1600-1800s who also immigrated here as well.

      Today is a different story. There are programs to assist immigrants with integration. Most of the infrastructure is already built. We have various social systems in place that actually make it somewhat easier for people to integrate into society. But what a lot of people think is that these same immigrants don't want to integrate. They want to keep their old traditions, their old prejudices or castes, and pretend that Canada is just an extension of their homeland. This simply isn't fair to those who have had a hand in building this great nation.

      I tend to include international students as immigrants in my paragraphs as many use the Canadian post-secondary school system as a way in to Canada. Basically one will take courses here as an international and then upon graduation seek employment as they have Canadian standards of employment which is quite valuable. I have nothing against these people unless they expect Canada to cater to them. Personally I think Canada should accept people who want to make the country better, not those who want Canada to support them, or to allow a new market for exploration. But whatever, I don't give a shit. I'm just bored.

      Delete
    3. *exploitation (fucking autocorrect)

      Delete
    4. 7a here, well put 7b. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      Delete
    5. Nah, 7d, I agree with 7a but not necessarily with 7b. I'm one of the only "brown" people that has had my parents also born here, and my family have "Caucasian" names unlike many other brown people. We were more than happy to assimilate.

      Unfortunately, I live in an area with many other brown people, and I can say we share no traits at all. It's like a copy-cat contest. We get a certain kind of tree, then the next day they do. We get a new car, bam, suddenly they decide to, too.

      The only thing preventing us from moving is our house price, we live close to a university and our house is over a million dollars, increasing still at a rapid rate. But we're the only family of three people - everyone else has crazy extended families, like 10 or more people with 5 or more cars on their driveway. Every other night there's a family with their tent, performing strange Brown rituals.

      But man, whenever I open the front door, the whole street smells like curry and shit. I see children actually urinating and defacating in the streets because they're too lazy to go inside. I see old (brown) people, who do not know how to speak English and causing trouble via jaywalking on 80+ roads. Whenever I go to the drivethrough for a Tim's or McD's or even KFC, I see a brown person, who will tell me, "this product has meat," to which I retort, "yeah, so what?", and literally leave without buying anything due to my distaste in having to justify my own beliefs. It's funny that in only the Sikh literature (Guru Granth Sahib) is the only one that explicitly states that serving meat is just as bad as eating it - I see many Hindus serving me, asking me the former question (it's not stated in the Bhagavad Gita).

      Seriously, I was in one of Waterloo's cafeteerias in one of the rez's in first year, sitting and get approached by some brown people. They immediately ask where I'm from - to which I said the city I was from. Then they said, "No, I mean where YOU'RE born," to which I said, "Canada." Then, they asked, "NO! I mean your ethnicity! Where are your parents from in India?" to which I responded. As soon as I responded, he and his friends literally picked up their trays and left, leaving me bewildered, to say for least.

      Goddamnit. It's not a small cultural problem. It's a goddamned fixed aciotn pattern. You hit the nail on the head, 7, with your first three paragraphs.

      Delete
    6. "I have no problem with international students. They work hard, their tuition pumps money into our school, and typically they become productive citizens."

      That mentality is what led to the housing bubble in the first place...

      Delete
  8. 7à, buddy, that was awful...oh man. You and the landlord clearly share a single neuron. So narrow minded, in the most retarded way. Your sample size is very representative of all international students right?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. At 30 incidents of terribad housemates from 3rd world countries? That's a large enough sample size to start drawing statistical conclusions.

      Delete
    2. An overwhelming number of people have experienced shitty international student roommates. I for one had the Chinese "fuerdai" variety who are dirty as fuck, hoard designer clothing and accessories, piling them all over the shared living space, and bring an excessive number of friends over at absurd hours on a daily basis.

      Not gonna deny that there are awesome international students who are kind, hardworking, and considerate, but the chances of meeting absolute morons who are international students is just disproportionately high. I've had unpleasant roommates who grew up in Canada, but all of them had basic human courtesy which many of the internationals lack.

      Delete
    3. Basic human courtesy is pretty much the defining Canadian trait tbh.

      Delete
    4. Unfortunately, 8c, that Canadian trait becomes lost when these ethnicities go back to their own country to their lucrative businesses, then come back here to give birth to a child who can be born a Canadian citizen (more opportunities for them, while the parents move freely in/out of their motherland). These traits are lost, simple as that!

      Many second generation brown kids I've grown up with IN TORONTO were still somehow enrolled in ESL courses, since their parents were too damn stubborn to have their kid learn English! I can understand if you wanted your child to know both English and your home language, but teaching your home language here exclusively seems unacceptable.

      8b speaks the truth. Everyday I'd see freaking shopping carts on my lawn because those asian kids believed they were to be used to take home. For the longest time I thought there was a homeless person squatting somewhere in my house due to the unsanitary conditions (rags, clothes, plates with cockroaches/maggots, used tampons) brought by those...third-world refugees...sorry, I mean, "international students". I better use those euphemisms that you're oh so called used to.

      Holy shit, you want to start a damn conversation, or even ask where a building is, you'll get treated like shit here. I saw one regular dude asking an international student where MC was, and the international student started speaking his own language, laughing like a freaking chimpanzee to the fellow. I stepped in and simply gave the poor guy some directions. If you don't know the language, you should at least know enough to say "I don't speak english" and walk away without escalating the situation.

      Trust me, as a dude that's bi-racial (white/east asian), I can easily say that although I look completely east asian, I get treated like literal shit in Waterloo. All the whites think I'm some kind of international student, while all the asian students know that I'm damn well not "one of them".

      I mean, you can teach your cat to shit in a litterbox, but you try to teach them experimental physics and see how far that'll get you.

      Delete
    5. Its rather said that people still judge people based on race when its obvious that culture is a more defining thing. An accent speaks a lot more to who a person is than their skin.

      8c here, I am a bona fide xenophobe because of the shit people I have met here. I can understand xenophobia. Racism is something else entirely that has no basis in reality.

      Delete
  9. All of Canada is on a decline thanks to Herr Harper. Also, if you're not First Nations, you are a settler. Period.

    ReplyDelete