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Updated on Thursday, July 2

#21072

OMG: Does anyone actually major in women, gender, and sexuality studies? A few years ago when I was still in high school I attended a UW info session and one of the presenters graduated from the aforementioned program. At the time I thought it was some kind of a joke. What the fuck do you learn after 4 years there? That gender is a spectrum? Anything else?

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  1. There's no program called that at UW...

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    1. There is women's studies. https://uwaterloo.ca/womens-studies/ and there is sexuality and family studies https://ugradcalendar.uwaterloo.ca/group/ARTS-Sexuality-Marriage-and-Family-Studies

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    2. I know, I'm in SMF but both those things are different than what op is suggesting as a program. Also this is a dickish question in general.

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    3. So 1b what have you learned so far? How do you plan to use your vast knowledge of SMF to contribute to society?

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    4. @1c I'm not 1b and not in SMF, but some possible careers that come to mind for an SMF major: sex therapist, couples therapist, family counselor, social worker, health educator, teacher, etc. Is that enough "contributing to society" for you?

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    5. 1d, I'm not 1c, not in SMF but I've had sessions with people in 5 of those 6 six careers and have read books by the 6th, so yes.

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    6. 1b. I know reality hurts. But some time in your life you will understand your program is full of bs and is not bringing any benefits to our society.

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    7. 1f: +1 for your comment.

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    8. 1b here

      I would try to explain everything that I've learnt from SMF and how it has made me a better person, but you probably wouldn't be able to grasp the complexities of sexuality and raising a family.

      Honestly, I hope to either work with a non-profit or government agencies to develop policies that will address issues that affects both impoverished and middle class families as they are one of the largest demographics in Canada and happy and healthy children are key for Canada to continue to be a great country.

      Either way, in the future when you inevitably start having issues with your sex life (especially after having children), it'll be someone in SMF who you'll want to talk to.

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    9. 1b. Do people in your program use "dickish" to describe phallic objects?

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    10. 1b/1h, does SMF teach you to make sweeping generalizations about the human population?

      "when you inevitably start having issues with your sex life (especially after having children)" is such a gross generalization. It really makes me wonder what scientific methods, or lack thereof, you folks employ to come to your conclusions.

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    11. Also, you're making the assumption that everyone in SMF is planning to solely use that degree to start our careers. It's like every other arts (and science) degree, you need to do some post grad to be able to get the career you want. I'm taking it because it's something I enjoy learning about and involves aspects of psychology, sociology, law, political science, biology, and counselling skills all in one degree.

      Also, it's not an over generalization to assume that people will have intimacy issues at some point in their life and research has shown after having a baby there are often intimacy issues that arise because not only is there a large amount of energy being spent on this new human life but the mother had to carry the child for 9 months bringing a lot of physical changes to their body. Also, it has been well documented that there is a dip in marriage satisfaction after having children and that it will increase again after the children have grown into contributing members of society.

      In other words, I'm sorry you feel like you need to validate your life choices by shitting on mine. I'm learning what I love and hope to help people in the future using the information I gained from this program and my own experiences. I just hope you do the same.

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  2. The people who major in that program are the people who complain that not enough women are in STEM.

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    1. Lol no we're the ones complaining about how society put unnecessary social pressures on women and their sexualities which causes women to be stereotyped and feel as if they can't pursue STEM fields or positions of powers because its not feminine and thus believing they would be undesirable to the other sex.

      Tl;Dr were not complainig about the lack of women in stem we care more about the factors that lower female enrollment rate.

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    2. @2b, these are extremely valid concerns and I agree with you. however, let's not forget the significant female contribution, and participation, in the unbalanced system. it would also be fair to direct your attention to women who choose to exploit institutional inequalities (for example, relying on said stereotypes like appearance-based preferential treatment, as the foundation of their careers and entire existences, and this becomes manifest in a variety of ways), who don't criticize the system through proper channels, who don't collaboratively organize critical institutional analysis and resistance to foster social change. the factors that lower female enrollment rates are largely male-perpetuated and male-enforced, but also with significant female contribution and participation that go largely ignored (for example under the guise of female freedoms or liberties that need to be protected, or written off as blameless byproducts but this victimization alleviates responsibility from all parties and focuses solely on one side of the issue. the change has to happen from within.

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    3. 2.c. here. in continuation, stereotypes exist for a reason, namely that the object of stereotypification to a large extent embodies and perpetuates the stereotype. if you want to reverse the stereotype, then implement resistance, which means not only resisting the oppressors but also educating more women not to focus solely on said stereotypes, the biased media, their own bodies, etc. but on establishing their careers and engaging in intellectual behavior, instead of dressing up in bikinis and showing their booties in order to gain more instagram followers

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  3. 2.c. here. in continuation, stereotypes exist for a reason, namely that the object of stereotypification to a large extent embodies and perpetuates the stereotype. if you want to reverse the stereotype, then implement resistance, which means not only resisting the oppressors but also educating more women not to focus solely on said stereotypes, the biased media, their own bodies, etc. but on establishing their careers and engaging in intellectual behavior, instead of dressing up in bikinis and showing their booties in order to gain more instagram followers

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  4. Hey OP, why do you have to make other people feel bad about their program of study?

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    1. Because it's something they should feel bad about.

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    2. Well that's just silly, 4a. A university is a place of higher learning - an environment to expand your horizons. If you LIKE what you're studying, then all the more power to you! Who are we to judge which programs should or shouldn't bring someone joy?

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    3. You know what brings me joy? masturbating. But do I go get a degree in that? Is that gonna make me a successful professional? Hells fucking no.

      Idiots doing useless degrees deserve to be judged.

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    4. @4c, You're clearly not mature enough to be having this conversation. Also, a sexual therapist who grew up loving to masturbate in a highly conservative family and wants to help people like him come to terms with their sexuality and live happier lives is someone who, in a roundabout way, got a degree based on their love of masturbating. Checkmate :P

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    5. People in WS now are accusing other of being judgmental. How cute.

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  5. Those programs are designed for people who are clueless and like bitching. They are indeed a joke.

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  6. ITT: People who don't know what they're talking about and love not knowing.

    If you don't think that SMF and WS courses have value, then you should take one as an elective or at least attend a couple of lectures with an open mind. Don't celebrate your own ignorance.

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    1. I get a warm feeling inside when someone uses the word "ignorance" properly online. +1 and keep it up, you beautiful person.

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    2. 6a, everybody who is stupid enough to not realise SMF and WS are worthless degrees are beautiful people, right?

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  7. That's exactly what those courses should be. ELECTIVES. Anyone who does a major in it is lazy and wants to make a career out of whining and bitching, which, by the way, doesn't exist.

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    1. 7, I think the career is to *listen* to other people do that. Which there's a huge market for. And then to help them out of a situation they're struggling with. Not saying this applies to you at all of course, but maybe you know of someone who has difficulty relating to others. Or getting their or their dependents' basic needs met, or getting out of bad trouble. He or she could be a repeat client. I wouldn't want to do it. I don't have anywhere near the patience. Hour after hour, day after day. Which is why I'm in SMET. But I'm glad other people do.

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  8. Define help. I think the career is to make sure posers do their job such as ppl in ECE raising their kids right.

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    1. at least people in ECE will stop their kids from studying SMFor WS

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    2. Sorry fucktard, I'm pretty sure none of our ECE grads are dumb enough to consult a SMF/WS grad about raising their kids "right".

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    3. Wouldn't ECEs be able to raise their kids right because they are in early childhood education?? I am so confused.

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  9. 1b your program is a joke and life will teach you your mistake

    also you've clearly learned nothing considering you describe things as 'dickish' with a negative connotation. you bigoted shitlord

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    1. Lol I guess I deserve that for the dickish comment. Who knew trolls would teach me a lesson on being pc.

      And not to worried about the whole "program is a joke" thing considering I've gotten two really good summer jobs on my own making more than minimum wage.

      Keep doing you buddy.

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    2. U make more than minimum wage, but probably a lot less than someone in mechanical engineering or computer science.

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    3. Pop quiz:

      What's the difference between a woman's studies/SMF major and a large pepperoni pizza?

      Ans: The pizza can feed a family of four.

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    4. Cool story bro, life isn't about making a bunch of money. As long as you make enough money to live on its been proven that an increase in income doesn't make you any happier. Plus, I'm making the same or more as my friends in STEM programs (including someone in CS) so I'm not too worried.

      Also that joke is lame and way over used. Be a better troll.

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    5. @ both 9 and 9a. etc. (the two people above): how about let's not evaluate our lives and careers by comparing wages to other people in different professions, which just seems really dickish (to yourself). instead try to be the best you can be and pursue your own goals and interests, if someone likes engineering then go for it if you like sexuality studies then go for it. but if you hate engineering and are doing it only for the money, then life kinda sucks i guess. but if you're in sexuality studies because you hate men and penises, life kinda sucks for u as well... also you'll probably be making less than 100k a year lmao

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    6. Engineers contribute to society. People doing "sexual" "studies"? They are just whiny bitches who wanna make a career out of meaningless complaints about non existent injustices.

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    7. @9f I can see how you would think that sex isn't a part of society.

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    8. 9g. 9f didnt say sex was not a part of society. All he/she said was people in gender studies did not contribute to society. But given you support those programs, I am not surprised that you cannot draw the distinction. Afterall, anybody logical will consider those programs meaningless garbage.

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  10. Being a sex worker is cool too. ;)

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  11. Well thats a bit condescending. Society is about talking civilizedly. And rocking some hot pair of shoes

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  12. I had a Co-op where i work withed all engineers, and it was absolutely this attitude that pissed me off. Just because I wasn't in a STEM program, they put me down for it. I just don't see how its any of their business what I study, and what career I plan to have.

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    1. Don't worry, we all have a place in the world. Even if that place is starbucks.

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    2. 12a if you work at starbucks that is ok

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  13. I don't understand how people can judge that women's studies doesn't contribute to society. You need to be knowledgeable in this area if you work in organizations that target domestic violence, sexual assault, family counselling, or governmental policies regarding gender issues amongst other things. How do these services not contribute to society exactly?

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