OMG: It's crazy how competitive eng and cs have gotten. I remember in 1st year my buddies roommate got into mechanical with low 80's; partly because he was from a small rural town but still
Agree with 2 & 3. Grade inflation is rampant especially with international and Ontario high school students. It's pretty sad that other students who actually earned their marks, from places other than the mentioned, are sometimes overlooked because of this.
4, the problem is this belief isn't being reflected in the admissions departments of Ontario universities. I've sat in on uWaterloo Senate meetings where admin presents the admissions data to the senators, and when asked whether or not grade inflation has played any role in the steadily increasing admissions average, the response is always "our present belief, after some discussion with Ministry of Education officials and an examination of the statistics, is that there isn't actually very much grade inflation happening at all - at least not enough to significantly affect the applicant pool."
This attitude isn't limited to Waterloo either. It's... well it's not great.
Looking at the stats on Prof. Bill Anderson's blog, it seems like UW has genuinely been getting way more applicants comparing 2010 to 2014: https://profbillanderson.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/admission-pressures/ and other Ontario universities haven't seen the same percentage increase in applicant #s.
Not saying there's no issue with grade inflation, but the increased competition at Waterloo seems to be at least partly the result of other dynamics...
That wouldn't solve any problems. The issue isn't the numbers themselves, it's that getting high grades in high school has gradually become easier and easier over the last 10 years.
Yep. Now it's like "average in the mid 90s? Eeeehhhh... you might not make the cutoff."
ReplyDeleteWaterloo is getting more competitive, and averages are getting inflated at an even faster rate. It's totally logical.
ReplyDeletesupply and demand + hyper-grade-inflation
ReplyDeleteAgree with 2 & 3. Grade inflation is rampant especially with international and Ontario high school students. It's pretty sad that other students who actually earned their marks, from places other than the mentioned, are sometimes overlooked because of this.
ReplyDelete4, the problem is this belief isn't being reflected in the admissions departments of Ontario universities. I've sat in on uWaterloo Senate meetings where admin presents the admissions data to the senators, and when asked whether or not grade inflation has played any role in the steadily increasing admissions average, the response is always "our present belief, after some discussion with Ministry of Education officials and an examination of the statistics, is that there isn't actually very much grade inflation happening at all - at least not enough to significantly affect the applicant pool."
DeleteThis attitude isn't limited to Waterloo either. It's... well it's not great.
^ So you're saying grade inflation isn't a factor? That just means that Waterloo is becoming more competitive.
DeleteLooking at the stats on Prof. Bill Anderson's blog, it seems like UW has genuinely been getting way more applicants comparing 2010 to 2014: https://profbillanderson.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/admission-pressures/ and other Ontario universities haven't seen the same percentage increase in applicant #s.
DeleteNot saying there's no issue with grade inflation, but the increased competition at Waterloo seems to be at least partly the result of other dynamics...
Can we just make all grade out of 120 now or something to adjust.
ReplyDeleteThat wouldn't solve any problems. The issue isn't the numbers themselves, it's that getting high grades in high school has gradually become easier and easier over the last 10 years.
Deletethe problem is pedphilia
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