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#20898

OMG: How do some students who can barely speak english manage to pass the ELPE?

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  1. They pay grad students from York to write it for them.

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    1. Just a heads up, that dude is a PhD

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  2. I guess I'll try, I'm an international student, I can sit in front of my computer or books and study all day how to write essays but it's hard for me to talk to people. I get shy and nervous because it's not my first language, it doesn't help me that people like you like to make comments like these, I can speak, but I have an accent and I get nervous and forget how to say things

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    1. Well, I've definitely seen people who can barely write (say, worse than grade 3 level). Your writing is fine for sure.

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    2. You're abusing those commas.

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    3. The real answer is money.

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    4. +1 to 2., and shame on 2b/2c.

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    5. @2.c : Do you want to get an equivalent of 99% in high school, be required to be more qualified than a Canadian in order to get in, get in debt to pay 3 times the locals' tuition, then read some asshole's comment on OMGUW saying "The real answer is money" ?

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  3. Speaking and Writing are completely different skills. I am an international student, and I don't really find it hard to write in English but when it comes to speaking I sometimes stall for seconds when I forget a word or just can't express myself well. However, I still haven't passed the ELPE (still haven't written it yet)

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    1. Exactly this. I can speak Mandarin fluently because I've grown up hearing my parents speak it, but I can't read or write. I'm also studying French and can read better than I speak because the format I've been taught in classes focus more on written than oral skills. That and speaking makes me nervous.

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  4. I speak english fine and I failed my ELPE.

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    1. Me fail ELPE? Dat's unpossible!

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  5. They should just add an oral component lol. First attempt free, each additional attempt $100 budget crisis solved.

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    1. We aren't in a budget crisis. We are in a "I need a new Canada Goose jacket" crisis.

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  6. ELPE is about writing. international dudes are good at writing in english because I took a writing class with them back in my country, but they are horrible at speaking for sure.

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  7. Some people don't pass the ELPE; they take ENGL 109 instead (which, honestly, is a bird course since participation marks horribly inflate the grades).

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  8. What I don't understand is why someone who took high school English (at University level) still has to take the ELPE.

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    1. we have a lot of international students too you know.
      plus there are a lot of "private schools" in ontario that give you 90s if you pay them.

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  9. Written and spoken English skill can be developed independently. For example, you have people in medieval England who can only speak but not write English, so it's plausible to have international students being only able to write but not speak. Also, spoken English is best taught by a native speaker, and most students from other countries don't have this opportunity. On the other hand written English can be taught by anyone or even self-taught if you have a good book. That's why international students can usually write better than they speak.

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