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OMG: Harper's new anti-terrorism bill (C-51) includes jail time for those guilty of promoting or advocating terrorism or for spreading terrorist propaganda.

But wouldn't this apply to the Quran itself? There are multiple verses calling believers to violence against non-believers. (e.g. (2:191-193), (3:151), (4:74).

I can't say that would bother me much, except for the principle of the government having the power to discern what is terrorism, and what is not.

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  1. No it wouldn't apply to the Quran, maybe do some background research on those verses. The Quran doesn't advocate violence on innocent people regardless of faith.

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    1. It actually does but so do any major religious book.

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    2. Not 1, im a Muslim. No it does not. Many of the verses apply to a specific context that no longer exists today.
      So no. No it definitely does not.

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    3. Sorry 1.b but I think you're wrong. That's the thing with holy books, people like to pick and choose what they deem important, but that doesn't mean there isn't some freaking terrible stuff in them!

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  2. There are as many troubling verses in the bible. The old testament includes calls for the Israelites to invade Canaan and kill every single person (specifically down to infants) for the crime of being on the land god designated for the chosen people. In other words, actual genocide. So if they're going to ban the Quran, they'd have to ban the bible (the old testament at least) and I don't see that happening anytime soon

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    1. Well sure, most books teaching an ideology shaped 2000 years ago are going to be ass backwards. But good point, they should get rid of the Bible too.

      I guess the difference is that there are a lot more extremist muslims than there are extremist christians (at least in modern day).

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  3. You know how Hitler came to power?
    He was first elected democratically within a parliamentary system.
    Then he had the SS burn the parliament down. He claimed it was "communist terrorists" and the people were outraged.
    He then enacted a series of laws restricting freedom of speech, abolishing the democratic constitution and pretty much giving the Nazi party absolute power. All while the people were convinced these were necessary measures to keep the Bolsheviks at bay.
    Hitler was a genius.

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  4. As a Muslim I can assure you that the Quran does no such thing. I'm freaking tired of people taking verses on a stand alone basis and twisting things to prove my religion is one that calls on violence. No it doesn't. Scholars dedicate their entire lives to understand this book. They have for over a thousand years now, and there are still mysteries they do not understand and verses they argue about. And then you have a random person who's looked through this book once (at best... Usually it's google), announcing to the world that this is a violent religion.
    It's not a violent religion. There's an entire media storm trying to make us look like villains here. You shouldn't listen to anything you find online or anything you read written by someone who's spent an hour or 2 doing "research". Find yourself a reliable Muslim scholar, who's dedicated their life and time to learn and understand this religion and talk to them.

    Until then, please stop spreading these verses around. They're out of context. You're spreading misinformation and not doing anyone any favours.

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    1. There's a controversial new "state" that disagrees with you methinks.

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    2. To add to what 4 has mentioned, if you look up the verses OP has talked about and read around 10 verses before and 10 verses after each, or the entire chapter they're in you'll start to get a better picture.
      Some thoughts to point out:
      "Jihad" (which is what the media will point to as bombing people and killing innocents) literally stranslates to "struggle". Struggle against oppression, corruption, poverty, hunger, injustice, ignorance etc. It does not mean going around murdering people. The teaching is that one of the highest form of struggle is that against oneself: against sinning, against hatred, against evil thoughts, against bad language and anger and hate etc etc. The highest form of jihad is (and to quote) "a word of truth against a tyrant ruler". A WORD.
      True, physical "jihad" exists. Islam is a peaceful religion but not a pacifist religion. But let's clarify a few things: permission was given (in the Quran, and in the verses referenced by OP and in 22:39 to add another) to people who have been fought and wronged. But even this "allowed" physical force comes with 100 conditional ifs and buts! Some of which: you are to protect the elderly, you are to protect children, you are to protect women, you are to protect trees (notice how it says you are to PROTECT them, and not merely not harm them) (reference: Hadith 9 and 10 from volume 21 of Al mutawa).

      4a: With that being said, the nonsense you will see out in the world is of a bunch of idiots using verses out of context to further their own cause.
      Notice how both OP and these fake jihadist have that in common.
      (Not picking on you OP, I'm just trying to make a point. Sorry.)

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    3. 4a, hoards of Muslim organizations and governments around the world have voiced their disagreement and have outright condemned the "state" you speak of.

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    4. 4a here. I know 4c, and a lot of the struggle is Muslim vs Muslim. One side has democratic air strikes is all. All I'm saying is right now this particular religion is at the center of a LOT of conflict. One day it may even catch up to the insanity and mass murder that Christianity was built on.

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  5. "Here, I'll just take a little snippet out of a whole chapter and reference it out of context. Spreading my ignorance is fun!"

    OP, please at LEAST do the bare minimum and read the verses leading up to, and after the ones you mentioned. Your ignorance is unreal. You may not agree with the views, but in no way does the Quran promote violence.

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    1. You make OP sound like an English major

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  6. Religion (ANY religion) causes many unnecessary evils; it tends to promote in-group/out-group biases, and while these biases do not necessarily lead to violence, the world can use much more unity than separation...think about it before you let a collection of tall tales direct your life...

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  7. I'm non-religious, but I believe Islam has become the fucking scapegoat of humanity and this is silly.

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  8. OP is a fucking retard

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  9. Government doesn't have the power to determine what is/is not terrorism.

    In fact, the criminal code definition of terrorism is extremely long, and highly complex. It is NOT a simple definition, and it is NOT guided by politics.

    Needless to say, only the courts are qualified to determine whether or not something can be considered 'promoting terrorism.'

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  10. Just wanna thank everyone who is pointing out the taking of quotes out if context. You have no idea how infuriating and exhausting it is when people do this and ignorantly paint your way if life as something that you should apolize for using completely false arguments that have been countered again and again. These people who paint Islam as a backwards religion as evidenced by current events neglect to recognize the 1500 years of Islamic history which (while not entirely peaceful) was the bastion of civillization and the centre of the word for 1500 years.

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  11. LOLOL atheists so mad LOLOL

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