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OMG: This is an honest question, I want to be educated. Why don't animal activists eat meat? I don't want an answer about whether or not meat is healthy for our bodies.

Would vegans and vegetarians consider eating meat if meat was produced in a sanitary and cruel-free way? Or is it the fact that we use animals for food that issue?

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  1. I'm not a vegetarian myself, but most people I know who don't eat meat do so because of the awful conditions that animals are subjected to in the meat production industry.

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  2. It's the fact that I don't stand for violence unless provoked. I don't like bloodshed whether it's a human or a cow. but I am also very into strength training and I understand importance of extra protein. So if there is a way of replicating animal tissue into meat, I'd eat it and save some calories.I hope that answered it for you.

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  3. Many animal activists aren't just animal activists, they're also environmentalists. Meat production is unsustainable, if we want to be able to feed the planet without making it uninhabitable, we will have to move to local, organic agriculture that has an emphasis on a plant based diet. With the looming climate crisis that humanity faces, this is very important.

    Even if "meat was produced in a sanitary and cruel-free way" (if that's even possible, and I doubt it) that would have to be done locally, in a small scale. As previously mentioned this is unsustainable for the planet and would make it very difficult to feed humanity. I also doubt if there is a way to produce meat in a cruel free way.

    Regarding anonymous post 2, while it is easier to get a complete protein from meat (with plant based diets you have to do combinations, like beans and rice to get a complete protein) it is possible to acheive a much higher ratio of protein to calories intake. There are vegan body builders who recognize this,and choose a plant based diet because they can get more vitamins, minerals, protein and other nutrients per a smaller amount of calories as compared to a meat based diet. That being said, as with anything new, some research is required in order to ensure you're getting the correct nutrients though. However, with the growing vegan/vegetarian community this has become a lot easer, there arealso a variety of vegan/vegetarian restaurants in UW as well. Thrive, rawlicious, cafe pyrus, queen st commons and many others.

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    1. are you suggesting that organic production is sustainable? because it definitely isn't

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    2. Hahaha, sustainable? Are you fucking kidding 3? Please, please kill yourself. Read http://www.amazon.ca/The-Locavores-Dilemma-Praise-000-mile/dp/1586489402

      Maybe you'll learn something.

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    3. Hi! Me again.... telling me to kill myself isn't very nice... Okay, so you read,wait, did you read it? i sense that you quickly googled "organic farming is bad" or other biased search terms to match your worldview.

      So you read one book about how "locavorism is a well-meaning marketing fad among the world’s most privileged consumers". Right.... That's why the UN has called for an end to industrialized farming (http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27636-united-nations-calls-for-an-end-to-industrialized-farming). The book you provided is clearly very biased towards a very dangerous form of agriculture that is completely unsustainable.

      How can you agree with "locavorism [being] a well-meaning marketing fad" when countries like India have faced the greatest economic repression from Big Ag? Did you know that farmer suicides in India skyrocketed with the beginning of the supposed "green revolution"? Did you know that there were 30,000 rice varieties prior to the green reovlution, which is now down around 15? This is life that has been erased from this planet, never to be seen again. And for what? Agricultural hegemony by big business over the local farmers... A documentary you may enjoy about agriculture in indua is called "one man one cow one planet" you can find it on youtube!

      Furthermore, organic farming is sustainable, that's why agencies like the UN want to move to local organic farming, that's why the Land Institute researches agro-ecological methods of farming. Author Naomi Klein outlined in her book, This Changes Everytihing the dangers of our current industrial agriculture system. Not only does the transportation of the goods across vast distances create huge amounts of greenhouse gas emissions, but the chemicals destroy the nutrient base of the soil, run off into our drinking water and gets ingested by us at our dinner table.

      Did you know that after WWII the military industrial complex needed a place to use its chemicals. The perfect place was the agricultural industrial complex.

      Be wary, my recommendation to everyone on here is to never trust power structures. They principle aim to ensure their power and dominance, they will do anything to maintain that power.

      I hope you cheer up and don't go ignorantly telling people to kill themselves. You should really reflect on yourself, as wishing others to kill themselves shows a complete lack of compassion and respect.

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  4. Animal activists are a varied bunch. I am one, a vegetarian too, but unlike 2, no more of an environmentalist than your regular liberal, educated, meat-eating friend.

    Farm animals are treated absolutely disgustingly throughout their life. I would be okay with the violence unlike 1, as long as it's only in the final moments of their life. It would be great if we could treat them with the care and love we give our race horses (if not our pets).

    To answer your question, yes, I would eat meat if the animals were cared for better, given food in line with their nature (so no corn feed please), and given cleaner, airy, healthier and happier living environments.

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    1. 4 again. The references to previous posters are off by 1. Apologies.

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  5. I am an animal activist and still eat meat. I used to work in the animal welfare industry, and I would say 90% of them eat meat and still advocate for humane treatment of animals.

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    1. kind of Hippocratic. you kill and eat what you try to protect. Its like saying I know slavery is bad but its good for the economy, so lets allow slavery but lets just treat them better.

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    2. No it's not actually. You're just a fucking idiot.

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    3. It's not "Hippocratic", 5a, since your analogy is completely wrong. It's more like "Hey, slavery is bad, but we still need workers. How about we pay people a fair wage in exchange for their work?"

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    4. Humans are innately evil and so you can't just go along with what's socially acceptable without questioning it. Just because meat is acceptable doesn't make it not violent and ok. 200 years ago slaves too were socially acceptable with a few opposing it.

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    5. 5d are you seriously comparing slavery to eating animals...comparing HUMAN BEINGS to FARM ANIMALS? Sigh.

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  6. Honestly I'm a vegan and I just can't accept the ways the animals are treated but I also can't stand the thought of eating a dead animal when I don't actually need to. I've been vegan for 12 years and I'm healthy and rarely get sick and I just don't need meat anymore, so why bother?

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  7. i could care less about animals but i've been a vegetarian since 6 years old because i despise the taste of meat #ultimateanimalhater

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  8. I have anemia and vitamin deficiencies, and feel that the best way to give my body the nutrients I need is by eating a balanced diet that includes meat. While I don't support animal cruelty, I do believe that humans are born omnivores and should therefore eat both meat and plants. I tend not to think of what I am actually eating when there is meat on my plate.

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    1. All scientific facts point to us being herbivores. Our teeth structure is like that of herbivores and so are our enzymes and intestines. Infact if you eat raw meat you can get poisoning or die. So unless its artificially altered your body cant even accept it. That sounds like a herbivore trying to be a an omnivore.

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    2. LOL. @8a - How do you explain our canine teeth? Their purpose is to tear meat apart. Do a quick google of herbivore teeth and omnivore teeth and you'll see that you're wrong.

      In regards to your second comment, we get sick when we eat raw meat because we've lost the immunity against the bacteria in meat because we are so used to cooking it.

      Now you may be thinking, if we used to be immune to meat bacteria, why would we cook our food? It's because it takes much more energy to digest raw food. Our comparatively large brains use up a lot of calories, and the only way we could sustain the necessary caloric intake was to cook our food.

      Humans have been eating meat for hundreds of thousands of years. We started domesticating animals for food ~10,000 years ago. This is part of our physiology.

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    3. First off, canine teeth do not indicate that humans evolved from a meat eating diet. Gorillas, musk deer, water deer, are just a few examples of herbivorous animals with prominent canines.

      Secondly, you are right in that cooking food makes digestion easier, but that is true for many food groups. It no way indicates that we have evolved to NEED meat. Yes, opportunistically for some early societies it may have been beneficial when other protein rich foods were scarce, but not all. Further, the domestication of animals was not solely for meat. In fact, many herding and nomadic cultures around the world live on vegetarian diets.

      Lastly, you are right in that humans have been eating meat for hundreds of years but as one of the above commenters mentioned, this isn't a requirement anymore. We live in a society where we can access a wide variety of foods to fulfill all our nutritional requirements. Today, you can have a healthy balanced diet without meat.

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    4. Alright, fair point regarding canines, but you have to admit that the majority of animals with canines are likely to have meat in their diets.

      Sure, meat isn't the only use of domesticated animals, but I doubt any hungry person is going to let the meat from their milking cow go to waste when it dies. I think you'll find literally every early society ate meat, as we all came from hunter-gatherers, and the transition to protein-rich plants would have taken thousands of years.

      Of course its possible to have a meat free diet, and I don't deny that it is more sustainable and economically viable, but to say that we are meant to be omnivores is absurd.

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    5. Fits of giggles. This is spiked hair. I am Christian -emo denomination. And feel that animal cruelty is a serious issue. That's why I snack alot.

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  9. I don't eat meat for practically every reason that people tend to become vegetarian - I don't like the idea of killing animals, I don't believe that animal protein is necessary/healthy, it's incredibly unsustainable, and above all else, I just don't like the taste of meat.

    I love that you asked this question! Thanks for genuinely wanting to educate yourself!

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  10. Echoing all the answers above. Also, I would eat lab grown meat if it was grown cruelty-free (e.g., growing just a chicken leg, not the entire chicken, or whatever) and with no use of antibiotics or other environmentally-destructive methods.

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  11. I find it really varies from person to person - different people have different reasons. Some choose to do it for health reasons, some do it because they dislike the idea of animals being killed for food. Others do it because they despise factory farms and everything that comes with them. Some in the latter group choose only to eat meat that is fully traceable free range and/or certified organic - which, due to the high cost of doing such a thing, means they eat meat far less often, and are effectively vegetarian the bulk of the time.

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  12. PETA had a contest where the first person to create in vitro chicken meat would win $1 million. The deadline came and went with no winner but labs are still working on in vitro meat that's appealing to consumers and sustainable. It's pretty controversial and I'm wondering what people's thoughts on the subject are? Is chicken meat grown in a petri dish still chicken to you?

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  13. I was raised a vegetarian. That being said I have eaten meat 3 times by mistake. First was when the server confused chilly paneer with chilly chicken. The second was when they decided to put pepperoni under a thick layer of cheese pizza, and finally the third one was eating bacon bits within potato skins. All 3 of those times it tasted nothing short of AMAZING! Hence, i don't agree with the argument that meat doesn't taste good.

    I do however don't want an animal's life to be lost just because I wanted to eat something tasty. Ps I don't see a difference between a tiny puppy and a piglet. Both are cute, both are precious! And all the other reasons people mentioned above.

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    1. Agreed, no difference between a puppy and piglet. So where can I get some fried up puppy?

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    2. Exactly what I wanted to say ^

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  14. It's unappetizing.

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  15. The ones processing your vegetarian food eats meat... what a major fallacy.

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  16. Its a job! Many people who work at fast food chains are grossed out by what they make. But it pays, so...

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  17. I didn't become a vegetarian because of any PETA-induced insanity or because I wanted to be associated with white people who have dreads (seriously, no). I'm conscious of the drain that cattle farming has on our resources (look up how much water it takes to raise cows) and I cannot possibly participate in something so recklessly wasteful when I don't think it's that great tasting and I can get those nutrients elsewhere. Cows also contribute a shitload of methane (pun unintended). I can also do without the hormones and the rest of the mystery stuff that those animals are fed. I know there's fuck tons of sketchy pesticides and GMOs out there as well, but at least now I'm not eating those AND meat.

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  18. Very sadly :(
    http://www.live-counter.com/animals-killed-worldwide/

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