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OMG: "Those found responsible for the online comments must show remorse, accept reasonable punitive consequences and apologize. If that happens, Dr. Florizone will have taken an ugly moment and turned it into a teachable one. We call that education."
YES. This is how to do it right, ladies and gents. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/dalhousies-handling-of-facebook-scandal-is-the-right-way-to-go/article22301628/

42 comments

  1. This is such bullshit. They probably obviously said that as a joke on a social network that the school has nothing to do with. This is absolute ape shit and I hope the guys don't end up with so much money and time they put in to get the degree . I also hope that they sue the school and the white knight rat for screwing their reputation over.

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    1. Exactly what I was thinking, why the hell would this be remotely criminal or affect their school career?

      Feminism not even once. What a disgusting world we live in

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    2. Getting a degree is not a right, they are not entitled to anything

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    3. 'Criminal' has nothing to do with it. 3 said it well. It's not uncommon for professional programs to have extralegal codes of ethical conduct, and Dalhousie is no exception.

      That aside, universities also have policies. Here at Waterloo, comments like the ones these students' made could get you expelled under Policy 34 (really hope I'm getting the number right; it's been a while), as could any other speech that impedes somebody's basic sense of safety/security while on campus, or anything that qualifies as hate speech directed at a specific group (for a good example, see the guy who put up anti-woman posters a few years back).

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    4. Alright in that case they should open up everyone's facebook account and micro-analyse every shit every one says. How would you like if any one just starts browsing your facebook in your fourth year and thinks that you don't deserve a degree because of some offhanded remark you made?

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    5. @1d Repeatedly making these comments is far from "offhand"

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    6. Also, making these comments in the official group for your program, which required you to verify your school e-mail address in order to join it, is very different from 'offhand' also.

      This isn't the same as making some silly borish comments in a private internet chat. This is a public discussion which happened in a public group affiliated with the university. That gives the school every right to take action.

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  2. I think that it's only a Scandal if the person's actions were out of character. Facebook is Facebook and if someone is in a Steady relationship and they wanna post it it's fine.

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  3. Dentistry is a professional career. And the dentistry program is a professional program. You are held to a higher standard as a professional (doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.). This includes not talking with your fellow professional students about who among your peers you'd like to hate fuck.

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    1. +1 People don't get this. Its not a bunch of kids in highschool. These post-grads in a professional program with a code of ethics. So if they violated the ethics there has to be consequences. However, if they are investigated and nothing is found to violate the code of ethics then as far as i think there should not be consequences.

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    2. @3:
      Dentistry is an "interesting" careerpath that i would like to tack. I really looke up to my dad for what he does.

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    3. 3a, if their actions don't violate the code of ethics then the code has failed and should be strengthened.

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    4. 3d, the question the University is asking at this point isn't so much "did their actions violate the code of ethics" so much as it's "what is a balanced, measured approach to this situation that will simultaneously:
      -Preserve the University's reputation;
      -Bestow punitive measures on the individuals involved that APPROPRIATELY match their actions, without tarring/feathering them and ruining all their future career prospects; and
      -Restore a sense of comfort and ease to the individuals who were made to feel uncomfortable by these actions?

      The answer is vaguely described as "restorative justice." The tricky part is in the details.

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    5. -restore the safety of their future female clients

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    6. ^More like, "perception of safety." I doubt Dalhousie is categorically less - or more - safe than any other university campus, or that anything to do with this incident has an *actual* impact on safety on that campus. But everyone has a right to feel generally secure, and the admin there certainly needs to act to address any perceived gaps in security for women on that campus.

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    7. 3f may have meant safety of female patients of these gentlemen's once they've graduated and will practice as dentists

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  4. Fuck off SJWs. This is a ridiculous thing to get pissed over.

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    1. OP here. If you'd bothered to read my post 4 (or even a BIT of the linked article), you'd notice I'm praising Dal for NOT jumping the gun on this and expelling these students/naming them as a knee-jerk response (i.e. what U of Ottawa did last year to its hockey team).

      This restorative justice process is a good idea. The Dal president is making sure due diligence is done, and that the punitive action, once taken, fits the offending behaviour appropriately. In short, he's trying to deal with it in a way that doesn't ruin any lives, and maintains a positive campus environment overall.

      This is a hard thing to do! But it is the right approach.

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  5. The DAL president's just trying to protect his university's reputation.

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    1. No, the University of Ottawa's president was just trying to protect his university's reputation, last year, twice. The Dal president seems to *actually* be trying to resolve the issue in a balanced manner. He's been carrying out this restorative justice process and leaving the students' names anonymous despite requests from various provincial dental associations to have the names revealed so that they can be blacklisted for life (i.e. effectively banned from ever practicing dentistry in Canada).

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    2. 5a, why do you say that about University of Ottawa's president?

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    3. Because she's scared.

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    4. 5a for someone who's complimenting a balanced manner it doesn't sound like your argument is regarding the motivations of the various provincial dental associations.

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    5. ^They've publicly threatened to blacklist every male Dalhousie dental grad by default unless the names are made public. Sure it's a lot of grandstanding, but it's not like I'm making this stuff up....

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    6. So what's the motivation of the various provincial dental associations?

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    7. @5f They don't want people who repeatedly discuss "hate-fucking" and drugging women as members?

      Seems pretty reasonable.

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    8. Yes reasonable. Can they sue the dental associations for the same reason the hockey players are suing University of Ottawa?

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    9. 5f, it's mostly PR on the part of the dental associations. Behind closed doors, I'm sure they'll work out some sort of agreement with Dal, but only once Dal has decided what the appropriate punishment for the offending individuals *actually* is.

      These guys would probably only be able to sue the dental associations/the university if their identities were made public by any of those institutions. Which I don't think they will be.

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    10. 5i someone should Help the offending individual

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  6. 5.d Because he over-reacted and threw 22 students under the bus for what 2 of their team-mates did in order to appease the mob? Which now has actually exposed the the school to a multi-million dollar class action lawsuit

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    1. On what grounds?

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    2. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/u-of-o-hockey-players-plan-lawsuit-over-suspensions-lawyer-says

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    3. 6, 5c, that's Allan Rock your talking about. You know, former Minister of Justice. I doubt he's acting out of fear or to appease the mob.

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    4. You make a good point, he's well proven that he's perfectly willing to stick to his guns (I crack myself up) against the weight of public opinion even when he's dead fucking wrong.

      My apologies if I misread your tone, but the implication that his term as justice minister adds any credence to his judgement is downright laughable. The man's an idiot.

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    5. So he has backbone.

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    6. 6.e I'm not sure if you're being deliberately thick or you're just ignorant but 6.d was clearly alluding to the boondoggle that was the long-gun registry. That's Allan Rock you're talking about . You know, the fomer Minister of Justice who spearheaded a massive project against the advice of law enforcement and covered up billions in cost overruns out of a misguided sense of left-wing moral and intellectual superiority.

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  7. That's some vitriol. He dealt with sexual assaults. As a president of a Canadian University. Uncommon.

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    1. Except he didn't, 7. He just threw everyone even remotely connected to the incident under the bus, whether they were guilty or not, before any investigation had even concluded, and may have permanently destroyed the career prospects of the individuals who were part of that team who WEREN'T involved in what happened.

      He did it out of a misguided attempt to protect the University's reputation in place of ACTUALLY dealing with the issue.

      You want to see what proper, balanced, restorative justice looks like? Look at Dalhousie right now.

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    2. If anyone destroyed the team's career prospects it was the guys committing the sexual assaults. If anyone's not a team player, it's them.

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