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Updated on Sunday, November 30

#20194

OMG: The fabulous folks at GRT are axing the 7D and 7E because of the ion. Folks, don't let this happen. Feds, students, do something about it - make calls, protest, whatever. This can't happen.

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  1. I agree OP. The 7D is a very useful bus that can take me home from uptown before the late night loop starts.

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  2. ION is the light rail transit system being implemented. FEDS is actually actively working with GRT right now about the 7 routes and addressing new route needs.

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  3. Why can't it happen? Because you don't want to walk to University or Columbia?

    Get off of your lazy asses and walk to the bus stops. It's literally 10 minutes to get to a main street from campus. The GRT doesn't need all of your bitching because you can't get a bus from outside of your building anymore.

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    1. What are you so angry for?

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    2. @4a

      I think they're just bitter that they had to move away from the 7D.

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    3. Who pissed in your cornflakes?

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    4. 4, you're assuming everyone who takes these routes lives on University or Columbia... I live south of Erb and this proposal is tantamount to telling all the people riding the 9 that it will no longer stop at UW, just at Laurier.

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    5. 4d: can you elaborate? What on earth does removing those 7 routes have to do with the 9 not stopping at UW? The 9 goes nowhere near Erb...

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    6. He means the 7 being cut off would be like the 9 being cut off. We need both buses to go to campus because they are busy and useful in that configuration.

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  4. Great to see folks engaging on this. Please send any feedback on this proposal to municipal@feds.ca by December 10! I would be happy to explain the proposal in greater detail, or to forward feedback to GRT. For more information, check out the GRT website here: http://www.grt.ca/en/aboutus/2015PCC.asp

    Remember that this is round 1 of public consultation. Round 2 will being in Spring 2015.

    -Feds Municipal Affairs Commissioner

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    1. Feds, this is your job: Tell the GRT that The UW community strongly rejects the cancellation of the 7D and 7E bus routes. Stop collecting feedback to provide feedback. This is a bad idea full stop. As THE student union, you should be strongly advocating against it. Simple.

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    2. "This is a bad idea full stop."

      That's your opinion. I think it's fine, as long as it doesn't happen until after the ION begins operating.

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    3. 5a, how is FEDS supposed to support their claims without getting student feedback? do you expect a FEDS officer to scrape omguw comments for student opinions?

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    4. 5a, The issue is not as "simple" as you make it seem. The proposal includes increased service to campus, just in a different form. Are there issues? Yes. Is this "a bad idea full stop"? Not everyone seems to think so.

      This is why we want to be open to your thoughts and feedback. I would gladly welcome an email from you with reasons for your strong opposition to this proposal and/or with constructive feedback to improve upon it.

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    5. Also, 5a, Naturally, we are concerned about the removal of service to the West side of campus (namely the colleges and residences). The closest bus stops to these locations would be Uni/W'mount, DC or Columbia/W'mount–none of which meet GRT's goal for walking distance to a bus stop.
      Other concerns arise as well. For example: the frequency of buses that run directly from Uptown to UW campus, how late those routes run, and the lack of service (and lack of sidewalk) on Westmount Rd, north of University Ave. If you have more, please share.

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  5. Tritag has a few articles on why this is such a good thing.

    http://www.tritag.ca/blog/2014/11/25/thoughts-on-the-grt-2015-improvement-plan/
    http://www.tritag.ca/blog/2011/04/01/untangling-the-route-7-mainline/
    http://www.tritag.ca/blog/2013/11/26/rationalizing-route-7-efficiency-over-cuts/

    Consolidation avoids bunching and makes it easier to understand the route. It only requires you transfer when you reach King/Columbia or King/University, and GRT will increase service along these corridors if consolidation happens.

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  6. It's not like they're removing it outright without anything else to pick up the slack.

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    1. The iXpress doesn't serve the same stops the 7 does, and that's the only route that is mentioned to receive increased frequency as a result of the change.

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  7. Yeah if overall bus frequency increases I wouldn't mind losing the 7.

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  8. The other reason why they want to do this is because as it currently stands the 7 is very confusing and does not function well from a scheduling standpoint (buses bunch up and show up 3 at a time) because there are 6 different branches. By consolidating the 7 to only run up and down King and replacing the removed 7D/E with other services on Columbia/University (like the 92 University Loop), these issues are solved and the system will operate in a more efficient grid pattern.

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    1. Not to mention the ION will move more people more frequently in less time, anyway.

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    2. The ION also won't be finished for at least another 5 years (assuming no delays)

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    3. 9b, not sure where you got that number from. ion will be testing in spring 2017, allowing buffer time for full service to begin in fall 2017. my math says that's 3 years from now...

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  9. 'm just gonna buy a lambo. fuck public transit.

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    1. Nah, GT-R, better in the snow, this is Canada

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  10. I support it, a few people will have to walk to one of the three other major bus stops on ring road which would take less than 5 minutes, but that isn't really that bad. I have always needed to walk across campus to get my bus. Maybe some people will have to transfer, but with increased frequency, that won't be a serious issue.

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    1. What about disabled people? I guess they'll just crawl through the snow to DC?

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    2. DC is accessible indoors from half the buildings on campus

      but no, let's think about the 3 disabled people at UW who have slightly increased difficulty moving around outside for a couple months out of the year, ignoring the fact that the outdoor walkways are regularly cleared of snow and salted to reduce ice

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    3. @11b, uhm, I'm going to ignore the insensitivity and focus on the stupid. DC is only accessible indoors from half the buildings on campus if you take the stairs. There are a number of underground tunnels that are pretty difficult to access without using some steps.

      It's *possible* to get to most places if you want to detour to every elevator in every building, but it would take an excrutiatingly long time.

      That said, I don't actually agree with 11a that the change in routes would be a serious hindrance to people in wheelchairs. We probably want somebody who uses a wheelchair to chime in on this one, but my interpretation is that the 7s aren't that big of a factor for accessibility.

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    4. The times I have been hobbling around campus with an ankle/leg injury I considered taking a bus around campus, but they are not fast enough to get to class on time.

      Also, I don't see many people get on/off the 7 except for the first stop the route has on campus, but that might just be the times I am in that area.

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  11. FYi Disabled doesn't meanf "In a chair with wheels". There is plenty of disabled students at UW. But ya know, being an asshole and saying there is 3 is okay. How the hell are they supposed to get to their classes on the west side of campus?

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    1. nobody said anything about wheelchairs, and you're still ignoring the fact that the pathways are maintained well enough that the weather shouldn't be a problem. if you're mobile enough to get to and from the bus stops then you're mobile enough to get to the west side of campus

      if you still need to be chauffeured around campus then consider paying for a taxi or a motorized chair, because i'm sure as hell not going to pay to keep the 7D around for the sole purpose of shuttling disabled people around ring road

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  12. There are no engineering buildings on the west side, nothing we do will keep the route there.

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  13. Would you all be as pissed if they increased route 92 service and put a bus that just does fucking loops around ring road?

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  14. Only if there was a bus that ran from Uptown up king, through university, around ring road, stopping at all the small streets, and ran frequently. OH WAIT, there is one, called the 7D.

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