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#20175

OMG: The red pill and men's rights activists in general are such a joke. Seems like this site has been overrun by them recently. Ah well, I guess there is some need for idiots at both extremes to keep each other in check. I figured with religion declining among youth, there would finally be less ideology to divide us. Nope! Now we just argue over the most basic thing that's left: what's between our legs.

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  1. Redpill and MRAs are entirely different and not related to each other in any way...

    Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you would see the value of both.

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    1. This. To dismiss all this stuff just shows you're no worse than the SJW's who scream their opponents down.

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    2. To dismiss all this stuff just shows you're an SJW*

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    3. 1) Go to r/Theredpill
      2) Click the fist that says "Men's Rights"
      3) Tell me more how they are "not related to each other in any way"

      It's kind of funny. When I first started browsing this site way back in first year, it was full of extreme feminists who called everyone that disagreed with them misogynists. Now it's full of the opposite kind of idiots who assume I'm a feminist or SJW. Hence "Ah well, I guess there is some need for idiots at both extremes to keep each other in check"

      In case you still don't get it, you're all equally idiotic. Now bond over your idiocy and sing kumbaya with me damn it!

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    4. Equating men's rights with theredpill is like saying
      the democratic republic of korea represents democracy.
      the Islamic state of Irac represents Islam
      The Irish People's Liberation Org. Represents Irish People.
      Your opinion on this matter represents your intelligence.
      Do you understand what I'm trying to get here. Extremism is not a good gauge for anything.

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    5. MRA's have value when they bring up legitimate gender concerns facing men. Redpill essentially boils down to pretending that real life is a dating sim, and that women can be won by levelling up your alpha-meter until they take their tops off.

      If you think women actually work like that, you're a fucking moron. Women are people, I'm not a woman myself, but I'd imagine that as people, they generally like to be treated as such, and not as AI.

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    6. ^ Men are supposed to be strong and alpha. That is how nature works and women do respond very well to shit like that.

      This doesn't mean that women should be hit or treated like shit...no way. It just means that the man:

      -Shouldn't be treated like shit either. Yes, some women walk around thinking that if they hit a guy, he must not react. This behavior should be discouraged.
      -Should be physically strong. So workout out, grow muscles and try to look your best no matter what women tell you. This shit just matters.
      -Should adopt behaviors that show some dominance like being more decisive, taking initiative to approach women, keeping anger under cool.
      -Have an excellent career so you have enough money to have an attractive lifestyle.

      I see nothing wrong with this.

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    7. @1f, the problem with that attitude is that there is nothing that inheriently defines what is and isn't masculine. Your examples of what a "man" should be or do is utter trash because it applies to women just as much as men.

      People shouldnt treat people like shit, plain and simple. If you hit someone, expect to be hit in return.

      People should all work towards maintaining a healthy body. Working out and trying to look your best doesn't only selectively apply to men.

      Dominance behaviors? What the fuck is this, TRP? Everyone could do with being more decisive and less wishy-washy. Everyone should take initiative and talk to those they wish to get to know better. Everybody should learn to keep a handle on their emotions. None of these things are applicable only to men. It becomes a huge double standard and incredibly harmful to men and women to assume otherwise.

      Definitions of what is and isnt masculine or manly, as well as social constructs of what is and isn't feminine are all fucking stupid and hurt both sexes because they fundamentally create stupid fucking standards.

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    8. ^ I have yet to see any reasonable refute to what 1f is saying. Try again.

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    9. 1h: would you mind explaining WHY 1g didn't refute 1f properly?

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    10. OP of 1 here

      @1g

      The heart of redpill isn't just that you should act in the ways you describe (I agree, everyone should).

      What you can take away from redpill is that women DON'T act in an honourable manner in accordance to those values, and that men are TOLD that they are 'fine just the way they are' and in turn that makes men feel they SHOULDN'T improve themselves to have the qualities that both of us agree a decent person should have.

      Redpill aims to deprogram this thinking so you have the qualities that people in general desire. Being a man doesn't mean having those qualities, being a man is ignoring bullshit and setting yourself on a path to self improvement.

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    11. @1i

      1h says women like those qualities (it didnt say men don't, of course we do)

      1g says both sexes like those qualities

      I see no refutation, in fact they almost agree with eachother

      1g is just 1h's answer with hate added in.

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    12. @1j "What you can take away from redpill is that women DON'T act in an honourable manner in accordance to those values"

      That's one of the problems with redpill. Demonizing women and idealizing men. There are dishonourable PEOPLE. Some women are cheaters and some men are cheaters. Just because you have had zero or only negative relationships with women, doesn't mean they all are unfaithful, hypergamous sluts who are incapable of loving their spouses as TRP would have you believe.

      Redpill is faction... a mixture of fact and fiction. It takes some common sense dating advice like hit the gym, take pride in your appearance, be confident and mixes it with some bizarre, sexist shit. The few obvious truths delude you into thinking it's all real. It encourages you to follow a meaningless, nihilistic existence summed up oh so eloquently by "fuck bitches get money," all the while insisting that true happiness is an unobtainable Disney fairytale.

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    13. @1.i, 1.h here. The comment is entirely subjective, Ie. "should" "should" "should." There is nothing concrete or persuasive in this comment as they just reaffirm their own belief that anyone who doesn't agree is TRP. Very weak.

      @1.k stop smoking crack before posting.

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  2. Might as well say the same thing about feminists then as they have groups of feminists that are just a joke. Why don't we just lump them all together so we can think they're all complaining about useless things.

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    1. When a LEADING FIGURE of your movement claims that Newton's Principia Mathematica is a rape manual because it favours "masculine" solid body mechanics instead of "feminine" fluid body mechanics, and you don't wash your hands of this person immediately, nobody with a brain will take your movement seriously.

      (Google Sandra Harding)

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    2. A lot of people DO say the same thing about feminists unfortunately.

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    3. 2a: I've never even heard of this person before your post. How could I have denounced them if I didn't know of their existence? Where the hell did you get the idea they're a "leading figure"?

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    4. 2a, yeah I've never heard of them either. Try not to generalize an extremist's view to a large population.

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    5. 2d, that's basically what certain groups of feminists do to MRAs others do to feminists. Of course it shouldn't happen but happens a lot both ways.

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    6. 2e, so call out the individual, based on what they say and do. Not who they are. Each person can speak truth and inaccuracy. So it takes discernment to read idea by idea, and accept/reject. No one group holds a monopoly on truth, or is always right or wrong based on who they are.

      Dismissing one person's words because of what another from a same group/set says sounds misplaced.

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    7. 2f, that's the point. I was saying that it happens on both sides. And on both sides, you rarely see anyone call our their "own" as we've gone so far into identity politics, it's barely laughable anymore.

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  3. Cheer up, OP. Just accept the fact that humans will always find something to squabble over, be it genitalia, religion, or OTPs.

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    1. Isn't it a wonderful world we live in?

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  4. Must be a feminist posting. In their world everything is black/white because they need simplicity to be able to understand anything.

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    1. Says the person making massive generalizations?

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    2. I have to put in it simple terms so feminists can understand.

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    3. 4b, not really. I read redpill posts viewing women with suspicion since they're cunning and subtle. Or did redpill mean just non-feminist women?

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  5. Red pill is fucking awesome and every male should read it for his own betterment.

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    1. - Fat guy trying to be 'alpha'

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    2. Emotional abuse is not "awesome"

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    3. ^ no, it isn't.

      Which is why redpill emerged, to combat the emotional abuse perpetuated by women that has somehow become commonplace and accepted by society.

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    4. 5c, yeah... that's in your own damn head.

      Maybe if you stopped talking about 'women' as though there somehow a subspecies of the human race, you'd experience far less misandry in your day-to-day life.

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    5. @5d OP of 5 here. Please shut the fuck up and go read up on how men get screwed up every day:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7995844/Judges-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html

      Teams in tech companies are similarly encouraged to hire women over men. Often times a junk female is preferably hired over a well deserving man just because gender diversity must be maintained now due to incessant bitching of feminists.

      Not to mention all the fake rape cases that screw lives of young men, cheating wives who still end up with half the wealth of the man.

      Redpill is not misogynistic, it just tells men to improve themselves and be careful of the feminist bullshit.

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    6. 5e, oh that's rich. So you're posting from what, the rational, unemotional perspective? In your first line you may have meant "men get screwed over" but I agree with you that you "get screwed up". I disagree that it has to be every day though.

      Remain calm and post tomorrow.

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    7. 5e, what about the eminently qualified women who don't get jobs in the tech industry because they:
      a) Aren't taken seriously by their male employers; or
      b) Are believed to be at risk of maternity leave (something which is not limited to the tech industry).

      Or the actual rape cases where the women aren't taken seriously because "it wasn't really rape," or because she "was sending him misleading signals" (because apparently no isn't the only thing that means no...)?

      These things matter too. I'm not saying that the issues you refer to don't exist! Gender quotas - I hate them in any industry. They're insulting - they give people like you a means to point at any woman in the industry you don't like and say "she was only hired to be part of a statistic, there were more qualified men for that job." They're a stop-gap measure in industries and services where women are vastly outnumbered by men. The point is to use them to give women a foot in the door, and start down the path to actual change and balance. If the system was working right, there would be no quotas, and I would be much happier. Or women who lie about rape as a form of revenge/greed - it DOES happen, and it IS disgusting, and it IS a problem. But it's also not the norm, and it's still far more common to find an ACTUAL rape victim who is being ignored than it is to find a falsely accused rape perpetrator whose life has been destroyed.

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    8. Neither of those points matter because

      A) Are telling me how I think, then getting pissed off? Making up an issue then bitching about it. Maybe nobody takes you seriously because you act this way often.

      B) Sorry, innocent until proven guilty, and since there are more fake rape claims than real women have really lowered the innocence bar. Shitty deal, but ultimately the fault of feminist thought in general.

      Your emotions have taken over, think before you blurt them out.

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    9. > since there are more fake rape claims than real

      Every single study I have ever seen puts the number of false rape claims between 1.5-8%, with agreement that false rape claims are most likely about 2%, the same level of false reports as per other crimes. Even if we're being conservative and assume 8% of reports are false, 92% are real... In what universe of yours is 92% < 8%?

      Citation: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape (and if you're going to bitch about the wikipedia link there are at least 5 studies cited in the references section)

      You can repeat your little red pill mantra as many times as you like. Screaming "WOMEN ARE EMOTIONAL AND MEN ARE LOGICAL" over and over doesn't make it any more real. By the way, got a citation on that one?

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    10. YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ YOUR OWN DAMN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE YOU TWAT.

      Fuck, seriously? Half of those studies put the number greater than 40%, one even found that 90% of accusations were false! Thats in that exact same article.

      Yes, women are emotional and illogical, you keep proving it over and over with this kind of behaviour.

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    11. God damn 5j, I'd say you make me embarrassed to be a man, but luckily I know that being a man has nothing to do with outside redpill validation.

      "One even found that 90% of accusations are false!" Oh no! Wait though, that was a study involving 18 cases. If you look at any of the studies with statistically significant sizes the number is never higher than 50% (the breakeven for your statement earlier to not be total drivel).

      Also, "half" means 50%, which 5/20 is not.

      You're clearly compensating for something and lashing out. Please look inward and ask yourself, what's more likely? Its a no-logic all-emotion feminist conspiracy to emasculate in this society in which you've got so much of an advantage? Or maybe, just maybe, do you have some issues of your own to work through before you're emotionally stable enough to interact with the opposite sex?

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    12. 5j: uhhhhh, you know, I came into this thread wanting to be sympathetic to your cause but you're not making it easy. I did read the cited article. There is a single study in the entire thing that mentions a false accusation rate above 50%, the 1981 Stewart study. It used a tiny sample size (18) and according to the author of the metastudy had serious issues:

      "in addition to their small sample size the studies by Maclean (1979) and Stewart (1981) used questionable criteria to judge an allegation to be false. MacLean deemed reports "false" if, for instance, the victim did not appear "dishevelled" "

      ... like, wow. Not going to put much faith in that one. Indeed, all the studies with high rates tend to show issues with sample size and methodology, and they're quite old.

      Your little temper tantrum going on about how emotional and illogical women are only hurts your point, especially when you've given no evidence that it's true. I honestly feel ashamed for you...

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    13. @5l Unfortunately, 5j is pretty indicative of most members of the MRA movement.

      One of the many reasons that, like 18 said, MRAs and their anti-feminism do damage to groups that actually try to help men.

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    14. While 5j is pretty bad in terms of reasonable debating, it's sad when claims such as the over 50% false rape claims finally gets scrutinized for their practices but the main article that states 1 in 5 college women are sexually assaulted is taken as truth. That article from the CDA was absolute garbage in so many ways, from a statistical standpoint and the vague questions. Also the fact the generality of sexually assaulted was then translated to rape.

      The reason I bring this up is 5m states the problem of MRAs but the same problem is with feminists as well. The problem being that some feminist groups do more damage overall in terms of their beliefs and what "research/statistics" they use than trying to help. In general, it is a sad problem of human beings but when it's a topic as segregating as this, it becomes more prominent.

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    15. 5n, the issue is that there *are* issues facing men... but it is usually those who are feminist or pro-feminist men's groups (i.e. groups like White Ribbon or The Good Men Project) that are the ones fighting them.

      The greatest irony is that while feminism addresses literally all of the concerns of MRAs (which are distinct from true men's advocacy groups - see 18's post), MRAs address literally none of feminism's concerns.

      Equal treatment of parents when it comes to child custody - feminists are for it.

      Equal responsibility/opportunity to serve in armed forces - feminists are for it.

      Supporting all victims of domestic abuse and intimate partner violence - feminists are for it.

      Equal sentencing of women convicted of crimes - feminists are for it.

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    16. 5o, I agree with you those are issues that both men and women can fight for. The thing is, you are again generalizing MRA's and then stating feminism does all this as if they do it as a whole. Supporting all victims of domestic abuse?

      A prime case against that is Erin Pizzey, one of the first to create a women's shelter. She was then sent death threats and "feminists" were completely against her statement domestic violence is usually reciprocal. I also believe they were against her creating a men's shelter.

      Again, I am all for the things you have stated but what I'm saying is there are groups clearly in feminism and men's rights that both go against it. The thing is, when you have a tag like feminism, everything gets disguised that you don't see these groups while MRA's are just laughed at in general.

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    17. @5p, actually I'm not generalizing MRAs because they are a specific subset of Men's Movements. Specifically, they are the anti-feminist faction that split off from the Men's Liberation Movement in the late 1970s (after the gains of most legal rights for women) because they thought that the Women's Libbers had "gone too far".

      As for the story of Erin Pizzey, her work in supporting victims of intimate partner violence should be applauded. Her questionable support of A Voice For Men (an MRA group that is part of the Southern Poverty Law Centre's Hatewatch project) and position as the head of the disingenuous WhiteRibbon.org campaign (which attempts to mislead people into donating to AVFM instead of the actual White Ribbon charity) is much more suspect.

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    18. 5q, it seems quite disingenuous to call MRAs in the present the same group made from the 1970s but I don't know much about the history of it. It seems to me like believing feminists now are the same people who fought for first and second wave feminism. It is quite true they try to stay under the same label at least for the most part.

      Other than that, you haven't refuted anything I had said or maybe you agree? I'm not sure. Just to repeat what I said, there are groups of feminists that go against legitimate men's rights and the things you claimed feminists fight for such as supporting all victims of domestic abuse. The Erin Pizzey remark I made supported my argument, you just agreed with her past work and criticized her more recent work which I'm not as familiar with.

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    20. 5n: i here.

      > it's sad when claims such as the over 50% false rape claims finally gets scrutinized for their practices but the main article that states 1 in 5 college women are sexually assaulted is taken as truth.

      This is because I don't need a study to tell me about my lived experiences. I do not know a single woman in my immediate friends circle that has NOT been sexually assaulted (of varying degrees of severity). I have no reason to question it because I'm pretty damn sure it's an underestimate. This is the reality for most women. Our bodily autonomy is not respected by men; society encourages men to believe that women's sexuality belongs to them and is theirs for the taking.

      You might say "but none of my female friends have said anything like this?!?!!" Consider that if you're questioning basic truths of women's existence, such as sexual assault being a fact of life for many of us, your female friends probably aren't going to trust you enough to tell you. I know if you were my friend and spouting "omg this 1 in 5 study is bullshit" I wouldn't be lining up to tell you about being raped.

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    21. 5t, you are wrong in thinking I don't think women's sexuality is taken advantage of often. But there's a reason we actually have studies to represent this and the thing is that study is bullshit. You can say my lived experience says otherwise but that doesn't refute the study, the study is wrong on so many levels.

      You don't need to question your lived experiences. What you do need to question is your assumption that your lived experiences stretches to all of society based off your anecdotal evidence. What about growing up surrounded by racism? I'm a male but I'm not white, could I not easily say I've experienced racism and most of my family/friends has to and then stretch this towards society?

      Again, I don't question there are problems with sexual assault in all of society, men and women. I was just stating the 1 in 5 statistic was crap based off the study. Also, I'm curious what you are claiming as sexual assault as you go from sexual assault to rape, though I'm not sure if you're equating or just switching.

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  6. No, a sane guy realizing that modern feminism is fucked up and its important for men to realize their own rights so that they don't end up growing vaginas.

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  7. 23-year-old male here. I agree completely that they are fucked up. I also think that all the complaints on this site about 'modern feminism' are largely misinformed, too.

    That said, I think there has been a lot of finger pointing and name calling on both sides here. I've tried to put forward some views on issues (for instance, the guy on campus recently who the police were getting complaints about), and got called a "red pill nut job." Well... I'm not. I want nothing to do with those creepers. But calling me a raging misogynist just because our views diverge doesn't actually help anything.

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    1. 23 year old male here as well.

      Truthfully, I think of you as less of a man for not accepting at least the obvious basic redpill truths.

      The thing is, you probably already know these, and probably agree with them. You just don't want to admit that any of your views fall in line with redpill theory. So man the fuck up and accept the truth, its a hard pill to swallow... but nothing worth achieving is easy.

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    2. 7 here again,

      No sir, I most certainly do not accept your "obvious basic redpill truths" as being either obvious or true.

      My worldview, while complex, really just comes back to something very, very simple, when all is said and done...

      1) Don't be a dick.
      2) Don't get freaked out when other people are dicks even though you're not.
      3) Enjoy the beautiful world around you.

      I have no interest in "sexual strategy" or "game." I hope that one day I'll be lucky enough to find somebody I can really grow to know, appreciate, and fall in love with, who will provide me with strength and who will take strength from me in return. I hope to make mistakes along the way, and find myself with the wrong person at various times, because that's how I'll learn and grow.

      But if and when these series of events happen to me (or rather, continue to happen, as they are already happening in their own time), it will be because that's how my life is meant to unfold, as a natural course of me chasing my own dreams and ambitions.

      I nearly threw up the first time I looked at /r/theredpill. It is a site that radiates a contemptuous worldview, bordering on evil, from its every pore. And I will never go there again.

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    3. This guy knows. Having a real long term relationship with someone you didn't just get by "gaming" them is the real red pill. You realize how everything you cared about before like having shit loads of money and getting laid doesn't matter because being with them is just better.

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    4. Having a real long term relationship is what turned me redpill.

      You guys are so naive its ridiculous, but most of the time believing the fairytale is more comforting than confronting the truth.

      I pity you for being this deluded, but I'm also disgusted at how wesk you are.

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    5. Ah, you're bitter, it all makes sense now. Yes, I can see how being cheated on, dumped for someone better, or otherwise treated poorly can ruin your worldview.

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    6. ^
      The relationship that turned me red was fantastic. Thats how I know redpill is the truth, because it worked. Did I say otherwise?

      I'm not bitter at women. I'm bitter at 'men' who ignore facts and evidence.

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    7. Was. So it was so fantastic that you two broke up. Sounds real successful. You're only lying to yourself, bro. It's okay to admit you're bitter.

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    8. Relationships are complicated. Some breakups are good, some are bad, some are unavoidable.

      A relationship ending isn't a relationship failure. People change and grow. She was right for me then, but she isn't right for me today. I've learned from my relationships, which is a main idea of redpill.

      Your 'redpill guys hate all women/can't get any' strawman is getting kind of old.

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    9. Why would you be bitter at men who ignore the "facts and evidence?" If anything that just makes it easier for you to find someone.

      And anyway, no one is disputing that there are things that you can do that make you statistically more attractive to women. That's a fact. The point is, if you want someone that's right for you you should be representing yourself truthfully. For instance, I don't like to make decisions, but my girlfriend does, so it works perfectly for us. If I falsely pretended I did, it most likely never would have worked. However if you just want to get laid and not find someone who really gets you, then yes, redpill away.

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    10. > easier to find someone

      Easier to find a lying bitch.

      > representing yourself truthfully

      I am, my personality is redpill I just never had a word for it until it got 'famous'.

      > I don't like to make decisions

      Then she'll be choosing which dick to suck next (hint: it won't be yours if you don't make that decision)

      > works perfectly for us

      For her, you mean.

      > just want to get laid

      Short term benefits of redpill

      > find someone

      Thats long term, benefit of redpill is I won't settle for anything less that what I really desire, because I know most girls just aren't worth it.

      Don't worry, you're young, you don't have much experience, but one day redpill will make sense to you too.

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    11. 7k, I'm going to hazard a guess that none of your previous relationships were emotionally healthy for anyone except maybe yourself.

      I get it, sometimes silly women with their small brains (Brains a third the size of ours, its science) will be having sex with men other than you and that is just unacceptable. Oh wait, I'm being sarcastic and you are a huge asshat.

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    12. Man, someone really fucked you up. It's 6 years for us now and we're getting married in the spring. I know this may seem surprising to you, but you too can find a woman who doesn't lie or cheat if you work on becoming a decent, not hate-filled human.

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    13. Ah, now I'm just feel sad for her.

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  8. Woah, I know Kung-fu!

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  9. oh, so this is what you focus on and take issue with in your life

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  10. 22yr old male here. I had heard of MRA's before, but not redpill. So I just took a gander at that reddit...

    Holy shit, this is the most pretentious, close-minded, ignorant, self-serving bullshit I've read in a long time. The very name should have been a warning about how edgy they are. Don't be sheeple and break the system of anti-patriarchy, amirite?

    It's just full of this single-perspective mindset totally not conducive to debate or rational thinking. They only view their problems and issues from their own perspective, and not how other people see the world.

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  11. While generally women have it worse than men, its just plain ignorant to call mens rights activists a joke.

    There are some areas where men's rights definitely DO need to be defended. For example, child custody. There is a huge bias against men in custody battles, even when they are the more responsible parent. I know if I have kids and they were forcibly separated from me, I would be devastated.

    Males are also the only ones chosen for conscription. (Though admittedly I do understand part of the reasoning behind this.)

    I think there is also massive pressure to be "Macho" when this isn't necessarily natural. Some of the most degrading insults for men are directed at our masculinity. Things such as fag, pussy, little bitch. Not only does it bring men down, but it also brings down women and homosexuals at the same time.

    I know feminism has more issues, but you can't just ignore mens rights.

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    1. Look at 7.a for an example of my point in the fourth paragraph.

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    2. You realize that feminists fight for these things because they are direct results of whay we call patriarchy, right?

      When women are seen as natural caretakers for children, systems will favor them for custody. As a feminist, I reject this, because I believe men and women are equal.

      Women have fought for years for the right to be allowed in combat. The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) of the 70s second-wave feminists would have codified it into law. Conservative Republicans blocked the amendment.

      The belief that women are innately inferior to men leads to men being insulted for any signs of insufficiently masculine behaviors. Feminists believe that women are not inferior to men, and as such, homophobic slurs (usually out of fear of effeminate homosexuals) and comparing people to women as insults are completely unacceptable.

      But MRAs and feminists disagree on means of solving these problems. MRAs are an extension of the patriarchy; they see these problems but think everything else is hunky dory, and want to patch those problems (give men more rights) while ignoring the rest of the inequity in the system. Feminists argue "patching" these things does not strike at the root of the problem; the entire system of male supremacy needs to be dismantled to fix these things, because it will be better for everyone.

      You see these differences evidenced in this thread. MRAs and TRPers are questioning individuals' masculinity for daring to question them, and accuse them of "growing vaginas" and all sorts of other misogynistic slurs as insults.

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    3. 11b, you're generalizing. You claim feminists believe something as if that entire group does and then separate MRA's as if they don't have any feminist beliefs. In terms of the general feminist goals, most would agree with them but I think you should realize most people here aren't talking about those.

      In terms of the TRPers, you know their are "feminists" that denounce males as a whole as well, demonizing and generalizing them.

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    4. 11b, this is 11 here.

      Perhaps I am confusing terms. Logically, a men's rights activist is someone who advocates for mens rights. I suppose the word I'm looking for is masculism. I think you're when you say that these issues are due to our patriarchal culture.

      Why I brought up the issue of masculinity based insults, is to show that feminists and MRAs are often fighting for the same thing, and that is to break down gender roles.

      I'm sorry if this came off as an attack on feminism, that was not my intention. All I'm saying is that in some cases such as custody, there is an inherent bias in the favour of women due to gender roles in our society.

      In the end we should all be striving for equality. This means we need to defend the rights of both genders.

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    5. I think you're right* (missed a word)

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    6. 11b, 11d, quite good posts.

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  12. girls have cooties

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  13. - first year here who is wondering why the fuck do the people of uw like to discuss these topics so much. Every other day theres an argument over this.. Why can't we all have sex together to solve our problems

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    1. oh young one, once you leave the gentle confines of residence where you can literally knock on any random persons door and say 'wanna bang?' and get a half hour of uncomfortable and inexperienced sex, you'll understand.

      The sexual frustration is strong on this website.

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    2. Because people like you think having sex solves problems. That's pretty damn naive.

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    3. It's because feminists can't do much with a woman/gender studies degree so they flock to the internet to try use some of this bought... er... "education." Plus they have extra time because nobody employs them, along with massive amounts of time given for what could be considered grade five material, then boredom occurs.

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    4. 13b naive huh? Sarcasm flew right over your head. And 13c I think you maybe right, that sounds like a good theory. Damn feminists

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  14. Red pill vs. Blue pill? Is this a Leafs vs. Habs debate?

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    1. lol I like you, metaphorically relating it to understandable concepts.

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    2. 14a, you will note the greatest similarity is that in the end, both sides are losers.

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  15. Screw red pill. I learned what it means to be a man from that one song in Mulan. There's no place in my world for dating strategy unless it involves being as swift as a coursing river and as mysterious as the dark side of the moon.

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  16. What a sexist post: "Female activists are OK, but Male activists are not".

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    1. You should see the CBC article about sociopaths. Apparently they're all male.

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    2. Why would I want to read a sexist article?

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    3. Because all feminists are women and all redpillers are men. Who the fuck calls a group that holds the belief that women should have the legal rights of children a legitimate activist group? Maybe to the most raving of conservatives...

      You should check out r/redpillwomen if you want to see some real brainwashing in action. Misogyny: not just for men!

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    4. Nobody believes that women should have the legal rights of children... thats just how we should treat them because thats how they act. The women in this thread have just been name calling pretty much, pretty damn childish behaviour.

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  17. do you actually think declining religion is a good thing?

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    1. Not OP, but I do.

      Organized religion has, is, and will be perverted by those in power to suit their own ends.

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    2. Religion is NOT bad, people and society however are, dont follow all social norms just because its a norm, try to dig to its justification even if only for yourself. just a suggestion.

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    3. 17b, that's exactly what 17a just said.

      People and society can be bad, organized religion is shaped (and sometimes created) by people. Therefore, organized religion is bad QED.

      Spiritual viewpoints with an agnostic bent are best, IMO.

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  18. As a man, I get really annoyed when many groups that seriously want to advocate for men (i.e. mental health support, abuse recovery, discrediting "traditional" gender roles, etc.), such as The Good Men Project, are given a bad name because they're falsely considered to be associated with MRAs.

    The basic issue is that instead of fighting to remove patriarchal aspects of our society, which benefits everyone, MRAs generally focus only on issues and parts of issues that intersect with the heterosexual male identity (which distinguishes them from groups such as TGMP). An appropriate analogy would be that MRA activism is a salve that treats the top layer, in this case the effects of patriarchy on straight men, but doesn't address the deeper underlying issues.

    Men's liberation movements were formed in the 1970s and ran parallel to and were often inspired by the women's liberation (i.e. feminist) movements of the time. These early movements often, but not always, acknowledged that women were unequal to men in society but tended to focus more of their work on redefining masculinity in society. By the late 1970s, feminist issues began to be politically addressed and the men's lib movement split into two parts: one which supported the political changes for women, and the other which felt the need to push back against the new rights and perceived "advantages" of women.

    The Men's Rights Activists groups that are recognizable today largely formed from that second group. Many MRAs in the 1980s asserted women had "gone too far", played a role in their own objectification by society, and that male-female relationships were a fight for supremacy that men should use force to win.

    With the growth of the internet, these MRA groups began to connect with each other and talk amongst themselves. The minority members of these groups that held extreme views (i.e. actual hatred for specific women in their lives) came to dominate many conversations... which led to many MRA online discussions degenerating into anti-women tirades, name calling, and actively endorsing violence against women who weren't "in their place". These groups gave us such colourful epithets such as "feminazi" and "femtard".

    The case for groups that seriously advocates for men's issues is weakened by these MRA groups that use the idea of "men's rights" as a codeword for anti-feminist and sometimes just plain anti-women views. Not only that, but for groups that complain about the hatred of men supposedly held by every feminist ever... they certainly do a lot of hating on men who don't share their agenda.

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    1. You say everyone should fight the 'patriarchy' because everyone would benefit from it.

      So tell me, if such a global conspiracy to keep men above women existed, why would men want to get rid of it?

      To you and all the other pussies in this thread: being a white knight won't get you laid, so quit it.

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    2. Nice ad hominem, but you lose points for assumptions.

      Next up, you got two things wrong. Patriarchy is not a "global conspiracy", it's simply a deeply ingrained aspect of our culture. Further, it elevates only a certain kind of man (or more accurately a certain definition of masculinity) above women.

      Anyway, to answer your question we should eliminate patriarchy because the side effects of patriarchy harm both men and women.

      The historical preference for mothers in custody decisions? A result of patriarchal viewpoints that women are automatically better suited for child care, and had a first duty to being a mother over anything else.

      The reason only men were historically conscripted into armed forces? A result of patriarchal views that (depending on the time) women weren't persons under the law and/or that women were too weak and emotional to fight a war.

      The effects of domestic abuse on men not being taken seriously? A result of patriarchal views that men were too strong/manly/etc. to be a victim of abuse, and to admit you were abused by some lowly woman was a sign of weakness.

      Men expressing emotion not being considered acceptable? Women being sentenced more leniently in criminal trials?

      Patriarchy.

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      You actually demonstrated it quite well right there, my dear friend 18a. The use of "pussy" as a derogatory term is used to refer to men who don't meet traditional patriarchal (wow, look there's that word again!) views on masculinity... traditional views which MRAs specifically tried to redefine when they were part of the Men's Liberation movement in the 1970s.

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  19. didn't read thread
    everyone is a faggot

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  20. THE MODS NEED TO FUCKING UPDATE THIS DAMN WEBSITE

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    1. Yeah, seriously. This "once per week" thing is total bullshit.

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  21. yeah like get more MODS :@

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  22. Why say this site has been "overrun" with MRAs, given the fact of anonymity? A small number of aggrieved assholes with no lives can post a lot of shit and cry a lot of oppressed man-tears.

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