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OMG: Being a woman in a developed country is life on easy mode. Quit your bitching.

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  1. Agreed. Women have it the same or better here. Feminism is meaningless and counterproductive in countries like Canada.

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  2. Like 90% of feminists are pretty fucking dumb, all the tumblr bullshit has done nothing to help them.

    The only thing I think we actually need to change about society is steering women and men different directions when raising them. The 'patriarchy' isn't a thing and you all have equal rights to men.

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    1. Let me just pull out a stat from my ass...

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    2. Yeah, because bloggers now count for reliable sources lol

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  3. Well then, explain the pay inequality.

    Also, just because you're a feminist, it doesn't mean you're only standing up for the rights of women in the country you reside in. So I don't see how a woman should "quit bitching" if she resides in a developed country.

    Go get yourself educated before you comment on a topic you don't know much about.

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    1. The wage gap myth has been thoroughly debunked over and over and its a waste of my time to explain it here.

      At such a high level of ignorance, don't call anyone uneducated.

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    2. 'Standing up for the rights of women'

      Except feminists don't do that for any women in any country. They dont try to bring themselves up, they try to bring men down.

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    3. Ever heard of the John and Jennifer study, 3a?

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    4. Yes. But bias against women is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED, and I'll tell you why.

      Unfortunately, feminists have totally fucked everything for girls. Its because of things like affirmative action, where everybody except white males gets an automatic undeserved boost to their accomplishments.

      It is almost a safe bet to assume that Jennifer didn't get there by her own merits, and John would be a better candidate.

      Sorry, that how it is, you guys fucked it all up and have noone to blame but yourselves.

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    5. Wow, 3d, didn't expect you to jump straight into promoting active discrimination against women. Tell me more about all these "undeserved boosts" I've gotten, because I can't seem to recall any.

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    6. As a woman your university application was more strongly considered because the university is forced to allow a disproportionate amount of women in order to not look sexist.

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    7. That's interesting, 3f, can you tell me which specific law or bill mandates this? Or, if it's not a government mandate, which of our universitiy's policies I can find this in?

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    8. Its neither a government mandate nor a university policy, it is demanded by feminists. You better have an acceptable number of women in your program, or these bitches will raise a stink and make the university look bad.

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    9. Do you have some examples of this? Any proof about the ratio of applicants to accepted women in UW? Because right now, it sounds like something you're telling yourself to feel better about your own misogyny.

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    10. Oh boy, there's a lot of misinformation floating around here.

      > Its because of things like affirmative action, where everybody except white males gets an automatic undeserved boost to their accomplishments.

      This is not how affirmative action works. Affirmative action is the principle that if you have an equally qualified candidate from a majority group and a minority group, the minority is chosen. Note that "equally qualified" bit. It's true; I'm aware of affirmative action policies for women in CS and eng at UWaterloo. If you recognize that women in STEM got to where they are in spite of their gender, not because of it, the fairness of affirmative action becomes clear.

      > As a woman your university application was more strongly considered because the university is forced to allow a disproportionate amount of women in order to not look sexist.

      Now you're claiming the university keeps quotas. As someone familiar with the recruiting process, that's just not true. And if it were, I'd expect to see >14% women in CS and >12% women in ME.

      But seriously, your explanation is the phantom feminist mob for why the university has a policy that doesn't exist? Good grief.

      Interestingly enough, in the US, they do have quotas, and the individuals that primarily benefit from them the most are white! (If you've forgotten about Maclean's "Too Asian?" article, that's the "problem" they're trying to avoid.) So it would actually be more accurate to go around telling white men that graduated from elite US universities that they're actually less qualified than they claim because of that positive discrimination in their favor.

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    11. > the minority is chosen

      Yup that doesn't seem to be an unfair advantage at all, wow you are totally right.

      >feminist mob

      But it IS the reason, don't underestimate the power of shaming on weak men.

      >quotas

      No, the US doesn't have quotas. Its illegal.
      It took me 5 seconds and one fucking google search to find that out. But proceed to wallow in ignorance and base all your worldviews on your feels, facts don't seem to matter to you anyway.

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    12. > Yup that doesn't seem to be an unfair advantage at all, wow you are totally right.

      If you assume that the candidates are entirely equal in every other respect, I would agree with you. However, that does not take into account the additional burdens of racism/sexism/etc. that a minority individual has to deal with in their life. Without any further context, the fairest solution is to pick at random. But affirmative action recognizes that minorities systemically have it worse off, and attempt to correct for it.

      For what it's worth, the minority candidate would still be chosen 50% of the time without affirmative action policies. You seen upset that they are being chosen at all, despite equal levels of merit.

      > But it IS the reason, don't underestimate the power of shaming on weak men.

      Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. You don't have any evidence of this claim, and in general I've found that men are strong individuals that don't just toss the towel in at the first sign of resistance.

      > No, the US doesn't have quotas. Its illegal.
      > It took me 5 seconds and one fucking google search to find that out.

      Are we using different Googles? Because I just did the same thing and found that they are completely legal, though not everyone is happy about them: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_v._University_of_Texas

      (this court case upheld the practice of racial quotas for university admissions for a public school)

      I am presenting these points in good faith. I request that you do the same.

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  4. Ooo, ooo, I can play this game too! If we're making game analogies:

    Being a rich, straight white male in a developed country is like playing on tutorial mode with all the cheat codes unlocked. Quit your bitching.

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    1. Thats the fucking point. Life is easy for us; we don't bitch.

      Life is easy for women, they shouldn't bitch. But then they wouldn't get all the extra benefits of playing the victim card.

      If people like you would stop turning this into a 'whose life sucks more' competition, maybe you would be a little happier.

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    2. 4a are you kidding me? Have you met white dudes? They bitch all the time about how feminists hate them, and about how they can't legally harass strangers, and about how the evil feminazis are coming to take away their video games.

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    3. Yup, casual racist and sexist remarks about white males are blatantly accepted in society, but we don't have anything to complain about (because we are white males, of course).

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    4. What world do you live in where women don't live with constant casual sexism, but men do? Not to mention all the not-so-casual sexism...

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    5. Getting cat-called on the street isn't sexism.

      Completely denying that men have any rights issues at all seems to be, though

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    6. Sure, nothing sexist about targeting a specific gender to harass...

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    7. I see it for what it is: some asshole.

      The guy that harasses women is also the one that calls out gay guys on the street.

      But since you see it through your victim goggles, since you so badly want to fight a social injustice, you only selfishly see what affects you.

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    8. You're making some pretty big assumptions if you think that I don't deal with homophobia, 4g. And I see it for what it is; homophobia. It's easy for you to dismiss it as "some asshole", as some kind of isolated incident, when it's not something you have to deal with. But I guess you only see the things that affect you, huh?

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    9. > Completely denying that men have any rights issues at all seems to be, though

      MRAs keep parroting this line, but I've never actually seen it demonstrated to be true. When you stick your nose into a conversation about female victims of violence, e.g., of course you are going to be told to take your "WHAT ABOUT THE MEN?!?!!" elsewhere: it is disrespectful as it is not an appropriate time or context to discuss it.

      However, feminists have always supported men who are discriminated against by toxic aspects of the patriarchy. I think the prison-industrial complex is horrifying and the violence that happens there is unacceptable. And theeeen that same MRA turns around and makes a prison rape joke. Yeah, real classy.

      I think it's honestly quite illustrative of the problem when women seek to fight discrimination against them, while men claim they just don't have enough rights.

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    10. > prison rape joke

      See, this offends feminists. A harmless joke that doesn't affect anyone, but somehow is evidence of the 'toxic patriarchy'.

      Women are mainly driven by emotion, which is why any logic or facts are ignored in favour of bashing the patriarchy, because it makes them feel good while accomplishing nothing.

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    11. > See, this offends feminists. A harmless joke that doesn't affect anyone, but somehow is evidence of the 'toxic patriarchy'.

      You made two statements: "this offends feminists" and "this doesn't affect anyone". They are logically contradictory. If this offends feminists, it affects someone. I would further argue beyond that superficial contradiction that it affects the dialogue surrounding issues of violence in prisons by trivializing it. It's disrespectful to victims of these crimes and does not help to stop them.

      I hope you don't seriously believe that women are emotional creatures that can't use logic, because I am demonstrating the opposite right now. This is not a matter of "feeling good"; it's a matter of justice. The treatment of violence in prisons is not just, and is an issue that primarily affects men that I am concerned about.

      MRAs claim feminists don't care about men's issues, but then attack them when they do; *this* is illogical.

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  5. Being a troll on the internet is life on easy mode. Quit your bitching.

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  6. Colleges now have ~60% women and 40% men attending. Feminists celebrate this as a victory. Inequality in STEM? Proof of the patriarchy.

    Tell me again how Feminism is about equality.

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    1. Reductio ad absurdum. You are not even addressing any of the arguments people make, just drawing conclusions based on an oversimplification of reality.

      Gendering of subjects corresponds to a reduction in pay and prestige. While women are fine to pursue nursing, social sciences, biology, etc. they are kept out of the prestigious, high-paying careers. It's also interesting to note that even in female-dominated professions like teaching, upper management and those with power are still a majority men. While the arts undergrad classes may be dominated by women, the faculty are still predominantly male. Etc.

      Additionally, the reasons women are being kept out of STEM are not being addressed here (toxic environment, harassment, etc.) nor are the reasons men are being kept out of other fields (low prestige of "women's work", lack of pay, seen as insufficiently masculine, etc.) You see plenty of arts-bashing on this site, so you can't argue that work in the arts is considered as or more prestigious than work in STEM...

      Oh, and of course, inb4 "no one cares about the gender imbalance in nursing!!!" -- yes, they do. There are scholarships and advertising campaigns targeted at men in nursing, teaching, etc. to correct the gender imbalance there in a similar way women are targeted re: STEM.

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    2. All evidence points to the fact that women CHOOSE not pursue male dominated fields like stem. They simply aren't interested in them.

      There is NO toxic environment, and its fucking disgusting to even suggest that there must be one because the field is dominated by men.

      Women aren't 'kept out' of such careers, they leave it to the man to do the difficult work (which these fields generally lead to) because society had conditioned itself so that women are allowed to do the easy jobs (because fuck men).

      I graduated with a STEM degree, and I am working in the field now. I have not seen one instance of harassment (all the men are nerds that are too afraid anyway). The only people that claim such a thing exists are women who weren't cut out for STEM and want to blame it on the patriarchy.

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    3. 6b: it is illogical to conclude that because you haven't experienced discrimination or sexism, that therefore no one has. Your claimed experiences have been the polar opposite of mine.

      Here's a good summary article with a lot of citations for reasons why women leave tech if you are curious: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1soIYek-YEIvqtu9brv3ecdPbuVzQKp_GhAozC06UrLo

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    4. To 6b, I give you this quote:

      "Global warming isn't real because I was cold today! Also great news: World hunger is over because I just ate." - Stephen Colbert

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    5. @6a

      Hi. 6 here.

      Anecdotally, I happen to be a 4th year Computer Science major.

      Anecdotally, I have acquainted with a large portion of Computer Science major over the past 4 years and 6 coops at UWaterloo, one of the most STEM heavy schools in Canada.

      Anecdotally, no, the toxic environment and harassment you speak of does not exist. Harassment and sexism against women is at the very least not rampant as I have not observed anything of the sort in my 4 years at UWaterloo or coops(startups and the Big 4 alike), You could argue that I am a statistical anomaly.

      There are also reasons to suggest that men are biologically predisposed towards STEM fields. Visual-spacial ability and all that.

      But back to my point: colleges have ~60% women and ~40% men. Is this not a cause for concern? Isn't this a brain drain, a lack of "male perspective" on academia? You don't care about the generation of men being left behind?

      No, feminists care about getting women into "prestigious, high paying careers". Just as you said.

      Tell me again how Feminism is about equality.

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    6. 6a and c here. Hi 6.

      > But back to my point: colleges have ~60% women and ~40% men. Is this not a cause for concern?

      I acknowledged this concern. In my 6a post, I noted efforts dedicated to getting more men into the nursing/teaching/etc. pipelines. I agree this is a problem, and it begins before university. I don't know why you are not acknowledging my agreement that this is a problem.

      As for your anecdotes. Anecdotally, I am a 4th year female student in CS at UWaterloo. Anecdotally, I have been bullied, sexually harassed, and even sexually assaulted during my undergraduate degree here at Waterloo. I know more women than I can count on my fingers that have similar stories.

      Is it possible to not have a bad experience? Absolutely! I do know plenty of women that also agree they didn't experience these problems in undergrad. The problem is, you start to encounter them as you progress in the workplace. (I do really implore you to read my link in 6c for more detail on this. My impression is that you didn't, and it has lots of good research and citations.) I do strongly contest that research suggests that women are biologically worse at STEM fields. The evidence is not conclusive, and there have been studies pointing either way. Socialization also plays a huge part. (See: girls doing worse on math exams when reminded of their gender.)

      But I will note that I personally (let me emphasize that this is my personal experience and I am not generalizing to you or anyone else) was very strongly in denial of a lot of the sexism and discrimination I encountered early in my degree, because I didn't want it to be true. I wants to believe that one could succeed on ones merits and that I just needed to get better and people would celebrate me. What I saw instead was the goalposts change every time I succeeded, so people could spin my successes as failures or sellouts. There's a social reward for being "that cool girl" that agrees with the guys when they claim there's no discrimination... I mean, who wants to get labeled a shrieking harpy? But the problem with that is, if you ever encounter something wrong or worth complaining about... all it takes is one disagreement to lose your "cool girl" status. And that's why I think women really have to support each other.

      Cheers.

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    7. We have a Women In Math club.

      I also urge you to check out CS115 and CS135 classes/tutorials at Waterloo.

      http://www.adm.uwaterloo.ca/

      MC 3003 W Th F around 10-4 AM

      Quite even gender split. Friendly environment.

      Seriously, complaints about sexism is probably made by some feminist who isn't even in STEM.

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    8. "We have a Women In Math club." <-- we are talking about bikini contest bubble tea karaoke WiM here, right? WiM is not exactly what I think of when I think of supporting women...

      Also, why are you talking about first year tutorial sections to fourth year students? Like, how is that useful.

      I say this as a female in 3rd year CS. Things kinda suck. Really happy about the stuff WiCS is doing.

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    9. "Seriously, complaints about sexism is probably made by some feminist who isn't even in STEM."

      Are you claiming that 6a is lying about being a 4th year female in CS?

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  7. I hate all you white pieces of shit. Try being a female minority. Living in a "developed" country does not equal fair treatment unless you're male and white.

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    1. White males built this country and are responsible for its greatness today. Have some fucking respect.

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    2. ^ They built it on the backs of exploited people of color (black slaves, Asian coolies, murdered indigenous peoples) and are responsible for a lot of the postcolonial nightmares we're dealing with today. Have some fucking respect.

      7, you go girl!

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    3. Look at the descendants of slaves today. Living prosperous.

      Look at the blacks left behind in Africa. Barely out of the stone age.

      You are welcome.

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    4. @7c The crushing poverty that exists in SOME regions of Africa is a result of, as 7b mentioned, the postcolonial nightmare.

      Many of these countries have incredible potential for mineral development (especially aluminium in west Africa)... but, due to the resources being exploited by foreign companies, none of the wealth actually remains in the country.

      Please educate yourself.

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    5. 7c has clearly never seen Africa outside of the homogenous view presented in charity commercials. There are plenty of Africans who are actually doing way better than a lot of the poorer black people living in America. And don't even act like black Americans got to where they are now because of the utterly selfless generosity of the white man. They fought for years to gain their civil rights, and white people fought back every step of the way.

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    6. Ah yes, the racist comes out!

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  8. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif

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  9. Imagine if you put all this passion and fighting into an actual good use? Fuck. Could achieve cold fusion in two years.

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    1. You're making the unfounded assumption that people here are just arguing on the internet and that's the sum of their activism. I assure you that's not true. In my case, I'm doing large amounts of work to help advance women in STEM in particular.

      Additionally, never underestimate the value of education. These sorts of arguments can help to convert people to your cause.

      - one of the above posters

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  10. There are good and bad sides to every group of people wanting to achieve something, and just like how women are singling out the terrible men in society to try to prove their point, men are singling out the crazy feminists that get all this publicity.
    I think instead of focusing on how terrible we all are we should try to take positives from each side.
    But that wont happen because everyone is stupid so YAY

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  11. So what has OP done to help women in developing countries?

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