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Updated on Wednesday, November 19

#20127

OMG: I was born and raised here. My parents immigrated to Canada before I was born. It really upsets me when I come on this site and I see the abundance of racist posts, comments and stereotypes. The problem at UW is that there are a lot of exchange students and theres a huge difference between eastern and western culture. That guy in your class that reserved the seat could be inconsiderate, or he might seriously have no clue he's doing something wrong. I can tell you that in Asia, the attitude is much more "everyone for him/herself" which incubates this sort of behavior. The percentage of people that are even able to go to university is much lower than in Canada/US.
And is he actually doing something wrong? I don't remember reading a rule that says NO RESERVING SEATS, ever. Do something about it by speaking with the appropriate people if you really care.
One way I would suggest to deal with this problem is if incoming exchange students have to write something similar to ELPE, dealing with western culture and behavior.
Yeah, the Asian exchange students in your class don't conform to your way of thinking, probably don't speak your language, and might very well do something you don't agree with. As a math student, I experience this daily and have been frustrated by it a lot as well. But how about not coming on here and writing GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.

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  1. When in Rome, do as the Romans say. It's not a difficult concept at all. I'm Asian, and I immigrated here 5-6 years ago, and it wasn't difficult at all to adjust if you were just willing. I certainly don't go to people's houses and act like I would at my own house; why should it be different when people come to this country and treat it as if they can act like they did back from where they came from?

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    1. For some people it's much harder to adjust. I know which post OP is talking about in this instance, and it was uncalled for, especially the "go back to your own country part." I find that people in this country often have what can only be described as pure hatred towards Asian people, yet it was Asian migrant workers who basically helped develop the country from east to west by building the CPR through what can almost be described as slave labor.

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  2. dis asian be ragin

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  3. but what about the negro problem...?

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  4. Just gotta say that your message would be better heard if it was shorter, and "GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY" wasn't capitalized. To the average reader like me, who loses interest after the first line it stands out and made me think you were saying that. I had to reread to make sure you were not actually saying that.

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  5. I feel like all of these conflicts could be resolved if the people who are complaining, would just politely explain the situation as they see it. Communication is key no matter what background you come from.

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  6. My parents were also immigrants, and I came to Canada when I was three. I just wanted to say that there is an incredible difference between people who come here and try to adjust/adapt to the culture, and other that simply stick in their own little ethnic groups and refuse to learn the language. I speak Chinese, but I find it extremely annoying and rude when people speak speak really loudly in their own language in public areas. As for the reserving eat thing, talking loudly in the library,etc, etc...it really is not a culture thing, lmao. My parents were born in China and they raised me to be considerate and respectful of others.

    I can't believe you would say that just because there's no written rule, it makes these things acceptable. There's no rule saying you should flush the toilet after you use it, so that means it's okay not to do it?

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    1. I do agree that those actions are quite entitled and disrespectful , but I do think it partly comes down to culture. I think it comes down to the environment you grow up in. Here's my anecdotal experience:

      Canada:
      -Yesterday, due to bad weather, it took me 30 minutes just to get out of the parking lot at the train station, but people with right-of-way still stopped to let others join the queue.

      China: (I visited last year, for the second time in my life)
      -All my relatives drive with one hand on the car horn.
      -Have you ever tried to cross a busy street in China? I saw many government advertisements educating drivers to yield to pedestrians, and pedestrians to yield to drivers (neither of which actually happens)
      -Or tried to take the subway? In Beijing they train subway workers to push people into train cars. Not because they're trying to maximize revenue... but because people try to squeeze themselves on at any cost, and they won't stop trying even if the doors are closing.

      Anyways- I found my visit to be quite a culture shock (as a Chinese person born and raised in Canada), and I think it would be equally hard to adjust the other way.

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  7. If you come to Canada, the reason you're here is so you can contribute positively to our country. I dislike it when people come to Canada, study and then bolt back to their country. That person's spot could have been given to a person that would stay in Canada, earn a good living contributing positively to society. That's why I think people should learn to integrate into our society and not draw back into their own little cliques.

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    1. Firstly, I don't think we're short of workers in general - perhaps the problem exists in very specific fields which I'm not aware of. A larger issue is that university graduates can't find jobs, so even if a student stayed here, they might not be "contributing positively to society". I'm also confused by this line: "the reason you're here is so you can contribute positively to our country". How did you find this out? Who had the authority to decide this for all international students?

      Secondly, the university charges international students an insane amount of tuition, so they're contributing pretty positively there. I don't think there are any reputable institutions which do not accept international students. It's actually flattering that people from all over would want to come and study at our university in Canada.

      The way you write casts you as an incredibly judgemental person, and I'd wager you stick to your "own little clique" and never try to interact with them, either.

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    2. I responded earlier as 6a. Agreed with 7a, spot on!

      Regarding "contributing positively":
      At the age of 17, Einstein gave up his German citizenship to avoid the draft. His education was in Switzerland. Did they make a mistake? He never made Switzerland much tax revenue, and later left to become US citizen. He also never really integrated well- just look at his hair! Completely unacceptable by any self-respecting Switzerlander's standards

      Not all emigration should be considered unfavorable- brain drain is a pretty multifaceted topic and I don't think we do it justice to simplify so much.

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    3. It's funny that you end your argument with integrating society and not to form little cliques, and yet your whole point is that if they leave the country (your own little clique), they don't deserve to be here.

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    4. 7a: Yes there are a shortage of skilled workers. Why else would we let international students into the country. Instead of letting a student come in, why not let a well trained individual into the country. I'm fully behind immigrants becoming citizens in fact I don't think enough are getting the chance. But why else would we let a student come to Canada, study and then leave. It makes no sense.

      2. I don't think four years of tuition is equal to a lifetime of taxes paid to the government. The reason so much is charged is because of supply and demand.

      3. Unfortunately, your last point is pretty far from the truth. I may be judgemental and it's seemed to serve me well thus far but I do interact with more than just my "clique"

      7b. The opportunities in the States were far greater than switzerland. Also, I don't think many Waterloo students have made contributions to the scale as Einstein.

      7c. I don't think you can consider Canadian society a clique. I do believe if their purpose is to get a degree and bolt, then yea they shouldn't be here. There are tons of other students that could have filled their stead.

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    5. 7d, You're getting confused with two different issues. International students and immigrants are not let into Canada interchangeably. The former operates on a student visa, which does not allow you to stay in the country indefinitely. It seems like you can't get past the idea that no one is taking anyone's "spot". The government isn't going, "Here's an student and a skilled worker, which one should we let in?". Although no one knows for sure, I would argue that the purpose of letting international students attend this university is not so they can ultimately settle down in Canada.

      If you have see a problem with the amount of skilled immigrants being let in, that's a completely separate issue. In fact, Canada's laws have become stricter regarding that (at least for China) in recent years.

      Just as a word of advice, even if being judgemental has "serve[d] you well", it wouldn't hurt to give people a chance once in a while.

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