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#20098

OMG: Update on the creepy guy approaching women on campus: http://uwimprint.ca/article/4660-two-incidents-involving-suspicious-persons-on

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  1. Waterloo: So awkward, it's almost assault!

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  2. Thankfully there are some people with common sense out there still. Kudos to the police for handling this in a responsible manner.

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  3. When I heard about someone approaching girls, I started walking around RCH hoping to see what this was all about. The victim's recounts of the story didn't make him seem like a dangerous person. I just wanted someone to strike up a conversation with me.

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  4. Didn't he grab them?

    That's not socially awkward, that's assault.

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    1. Maybe you should brush up on some law before making yourself look stupid again.

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    2. Hi 9a, 9 here, grabbing people sure looks like assault
      http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Offences/Common_Assault

      Its a less straightforward application of legislation, but convictions have been handed out for similar or even lesser behavior.

      Of course, I'm assuming you're a sensible person and not some sort of MRA redpill dweeb that egg on guys like the perp here to harass people

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    3. @4.b it's about intent. Don't try to make yourself look smarter than you are.

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    4. Hi 4c.

      265. (1) A person commits an assault when

      (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

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      Consent

      (3) For the purposes of this section, no consent is obtained where the complainant submits or does not resist by reason of

      (a) the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant;

      (b) threats or fear of the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant;

      (c) fraud; or

      (d) the exercise of authority.

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      His intent doesn't figure into it 4c

      xoxo

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      (PS stop surfing redpill)

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    5. This was all explained in the previous thread. I know feminists trolls don't like to read, but I'm sure you'll find your answer there.

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    6. Hi 4e

      I'm a dude bro

      Kindly explain how this is not assault again, please. As I said before. 'Intent' as you use the term is irrelevant.

      xoxo

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    7. Who said feminist trolls had to be female? Your sexism is showing.

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    8. Sexism based on...?

      xoxo

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    9. ^ Lol what a horrible troll.

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    10. he held their hand

      not grab as in oh damn, gonna get raped if i dont break free

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    11. ^ Todd Akin here to tell us about legitimate assault. It's when you oh damn gonna get raped if i don't break free.

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  5. I knew it would be something like this. At least he learned something from it and the police were cool about hearing his side of the story.

    *~*happy endings <3*~*

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  6. top lel. waterloo, a dream i call home

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  7. Let's face it. The chicks were racist and didn't like a nerdy Asian guy approaching them.

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    1. Would /you/ like a nerdy Asian guy approaching you?

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  8. I figured something like this would be the case.

    The key here: the guy only gets one warning. If he keeps doing this, now there is intent, and the consequences will be more severe than "social skills 101 tips" from the police.

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    1. tbh he should have fried.

      He grabbed people. That's quite a bit beyond 'socially awkward'.

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    2. People? Where does it say that in the report? I thought it was one. Oh yeah, trolls don't like facts so they make up their own.

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    3. that right m8?

      https://uwaterloo.ca/police/news/suspicious-person-campus

      265. Assault

      265. (1) A person commits an assault when

      (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

      (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose;

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    4. Seriously 8d, the courts ALWAYS take context and intent into account when making their rulings - the law is not applied as strictly as you are here. And even before the courts, the police like to avoid ruining somebody's life when that person hasn't actually done any harm.

      He made a few people uncomfortable by behaving in an inappropriate manner. Does 'socially awkward' excuse that? Of course not! But perhaps before the police charge him with assault under the Criminal Code, and his name gets dragged through the mud in the media, and he possibly winds up on a sex offenders registry for... an inability to read body language, basically... perhaps just maybe they should TALK to him first and bring to his attention that he's treading on dangerous ground?

      ...Which is what they did. And that's all it takes. One more complaint, and his ass is theirs. But if it stops... then everybody gets to go home happy. Better outcome by far.

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  9. Really got to hand it to UW police for the way they handled this, most other police services would arrest the person, lay the charges of assault and possibly sexual assault and let the courts deal with it or throw it out which would do a ton of damage to the accused once his name is released as well as cost thousands in legal fees for a defence lawyer.

    Socially awkward yes, but at least the police took the time to listen and investigate and be reasonable, #2 and #8, bang on.

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    1. "most other police services would arrest the person, lay the charges of assault..."

      OMG an unsourced and completely made-up empirical claim, let the angry fisking commence!

      No, wait, not defending the safety and climate for women on campus. No problem then.

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    2. ^go eat some ice cream and cry about it

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  10. "The pressure to give someone a second chance – that they were just being awkward and the woman should just relax her boundaries a little – is telling a woman that she doesn’t have a right to establish her limits or to control who she does or doesn’t talk to. It carries the message that the right of a maybe-awkward-maybe-creepy guy to talk to her is more important than her right to feel safe and secure. It means she’s not allowed to trust her instincts and instead should either magically intuit somebody’s intentions or just let the crowd override her decisions."

    http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2014/03/socially-awkward-isnt-an-excuse/

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    1. Damn. From such a reliable and respected source.

      /end sarcasm

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    2. 10a You're making less sense than the average OMGUW poster

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    3. I'm not sure why the perp deserves a 'second chance', exactly

      Someone explain it to me

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    4. Because in an enlightened, liberal society we believe in rehabilitation rather than punishment. I know this is contrary to your simple-minded authoritarian style, but you'll have to furrow your brow a little more and maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to understand one day.

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    5. What happens if, spurred on by his lack of punishment for his crimes, he goes too far and causes irreparable harm?

      Will your dream of an enlightened, liberal society give any sort of comfort to the family of a life lost to an avoidable mistake.

      That being said, the idea of Canada being socially progressive is irrelevant to the enforcement of extant laws.

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    6. What happens if he is so enlightened by this outcome he starts his own positive movement?

      If your argument is based solely on conjecture and speculation you really don't have anything worth reading.

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    7. The laws of Canada are far more tangible than your idle suppositions, 10g. There is no support for your claim that Canada is 'enlightened and liberal', no support for the claim that the rehabilitative system of criminal justice is viable in Canada, and no support for the claim that the perp was just 'socially awkward'.

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    8. 10, nobody is suggesting that the girls "should relax their standards a little." What the police ARE suggesting, is that this guy's intent was harmless, and that since he didn't CAUSE any harm, bringing the effect of his actions to his attention and warning him not to continue should suffice for the time being.

      There might be no evidence (beyond the opinion of Campus Police, who in my years of dealing with them I have come to rather respect) to support the claim that he's "just socially awkward," but there's no evidence that he's a budding sex offender, either.

      The law isn't there to seek out potential criminals and bring the hammer down on them hard, it's there to dispense punishment to criminals who've done actual harm, in the name of justice for those who were harmed.

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    9. A quote from some random blogger? Is that what passes for feminist examples now? smh

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    10. 10.i. "he didn't CAUSE any harm"

      Two women in separate incidents worried enough to go to the police? Good thing we have a certified fedora-sporting harmologist to assure us that none of this counts as harm.

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    11. 10k, believe it or not, and like it or not, acting in a way that causes someone to fear for their safety is not actually the same thing as causing them physical harm. The first gets you a warning from the police. The second gets you arrested. That difference is paramount.

      Imagine a world where expressing concerns about somebody's behaviour to the police was all it took for that person to be arrested. We'd be right down the road to a police state, caught in a culture of fear.

      Police exist to preserve order, and the law exists to allow people to peacefully coexist. The two are not meant to be a hammer that eliminate any sources of potential discomfort in society with maximum prejudice - nor should they be!

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    12. "acting in a way that causes someone to fear for their safety is not actually the same thing as causing them physical harm."

      *Physical* harm, now. Legal experts and moving goalposts are among us!

      But no. Lots of ways of acting that cause someone to fear for their safety are (i) profoundly harmful and (ii) so totally illegal that you will not get any warning except not to bang your head as you climb into the back of that cruiser. Including threatening to harm someone physically, for example. Lots of things that cause physical harm, moreover, are not illegal.

      So, taking stock: the police would not work from a principle like "Did he cause (or even CAUSE) harm?" in deciding not to press charges; and it is really very foolish to be dismissive of the harms that arise from the experience of threatening, dangerous or creepy encounters.

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    13. Don't bother arguing with a feminist. They're too dumb to understand reasoning which is why they're feminists in the first place.

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    14. 10m, are you saying you don't trust the judgement of our police?

      Disclaimer right up front: I'm not a legal expert. What follows is nothing more than my own personal opinion, and you may feel free to agree or disagree on whatever grounds you please. I'm just putting it forward in the belief that there's room for a reasonably interesting, moderate discussion here.

      I just think we could all benefit from a big step back. A moderate approach is usually the best, especially in the absence of an obvious crime. In this instance, there have been no "victims," just concerned individuals. For the individual responsible, the embarassment of having the POLICE tell you you're out of line, and giving you tips on how to approach women properly, coupled with the realization that future action *could* result in arrest, should be more than enough of a disincentive from continuing to creep people out (again: creeping people out is not, in and of itself, a crime).

      Keeping the campus safe is important. Preventing harassment is important. Punishing those who commit crimes is important. But in order to do that fairly, law enforcement professionals have to take context, intent, and severity into consideration. And the punishment must also fit the crime. It isn't fair, and does no service to justice, to ruin somebody's life (because an assault charge, especially if it's considered a sexual assault, will do just that), just because they don't know how to approach women.

      The police met with this guy. They talked to him. They assessed him. And in their best judgement, he is no threat - he didn't even realize that his actions might be considered threatening (which suggests he was also very apologetic). I trust that judgement. If something happens that proves it wrong, I'll change my stance, but I'm willing to bet that's the last we hear about this guy.

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  11. @10a I fail to see what would have been a reliable source.

    The poster was just sharing a quote that they agreed with, I think the guy that runs that blog is pretty solid.

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    1. It's like using a comment from OMGUW as a source.

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    2. 11a:
      While I don't think 10's quote is particularly relevant to this discussion, it's not a "source". He's not writing an enyclopedia entry. He's just presenting a point of view that he didn't see the need to rephrase or rewrite.

      tl;dr not everything anyone says in an argument has to be peer-reviewed research published in Nature

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  12. a creepy guy matching his description stood really close to me and stared at my face while i waited for an elevator, i wonder if it was him

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    1. well why don't u raise ur hand at him

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  13. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. Thanks for posting all the wanted signs guys. I feel that waterloo is a safer place cos of u guys

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  14. We are laughing because it ended well.
    UofT is laughing because Waterloo is full of aspies.
    Guess who's not laughing...
    York student

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  15. Pretty sure 10 just posted something they agree with and then gave credit to the blogger who originally wrote it. Not sure why everyone is upset by them not being "credible". I'm almost positive OMGUW isn't a paper or a literature review...

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  16. I will never talk to girls again
    Thanks :^)
    Time to be gay 4ever

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