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OMG: I have been reading the comments on this website for a long time and I am completely disgusted and horrified by the amount of misogyny at our university.

This is probably the result of an institution that emphasizes academic achievement over everything else, and most importantly, over the education of a new generation of young adults. I know many universities require a course in women studies as part of their curriculum, and I was wondering, why not Waterloo?

Students of today will soon be full members of society, and I would rather live in a society where women are treated with respect and not as mere sexual toys. University is the transition between adolescence and adulthood. If we don't educate young men and open their eyes on the issues women face at this crucial point of their lives, who will?

117 comments

  1. another faggot post

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  2. York did this a few years ago. We should call a referendum.

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  3. Honestly there is no way in hell I'm spending hundreds of dollars to take some women's studies course. You can pay me to take it.

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    1. you're already spending tens of thousands of dollars on your education, a couple of hundreds more won't change anything

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    2. You on drugs 3.a? Some of us don't have mommy and daddy paying for our tuition. If we have people, including myself, who will fight tooth and nail against increases for student fees, why in all hell would I pay hundreds for some idiotic course that assumes I'm a misogynist?

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    3. @3b, to get a degree, you are forced to take many courses that you don't like. This is for your own good. Your negative emotional reaction to "women studies" shows that you are one of those who would benefit from this course the most.

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    4. Bullshit. I'm here to study CS, not social justice.

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    5. > why in all hell would I pay hundreds for some idiotic course that assumes I'm a misogynist?

      If you're that convinced you're not a misogynist, you'd probably benefit significantly from taking a gender studies course.

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    6. I honestly wonder if 3.c and 3.e are trolling because their posts make no logical sense whatsoever.

      Is Women's Studies for the bottom of the barrel intellectually or what? Women whom can't get by on looks, or with their brain, need to form some quasi-union and force others to abide by their rules or else? Just a hypothesis.

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    7. 3c: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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  4. During this term that men's are required to take a course in women's studies will the women be forced to take a term in Saudi Arabia or the like?

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  5. I agree with OP that people at UW can be rather misogynistic (for evidence, see the rest of the thread), but I don't agree that requiring everyone to take a course in women's studies will fix that. The students that are already aware of gender issues will be taking the course and it will be nothing more than preaching to the choir, and the ones that are not will only take it begrudgingly, and probably make a mockery of the class during lecture. Also, while there may be many universities that require a gender studies course (although I'm not aware of them), there are still many that don't. If someone wants to avoid it that badly, they probably will.

    The best way to engage people about gender issues on campus is to make them more immanent and visible to people. Don't force people to listen to one side of the story, make people think critically about what's going on with how people treat each other at UW, and what the root causes of that behaviour are. Only then can you really tackle the problems and get real solutions.

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    1. Curious to where the misogynistic evidence is on this thread.

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    2. "Women whom can't get by on looks, or with their brain, need to form some quasi-union and force others to abide by their rules or else?"

      "There is no misogyny here. Any hate that women get is deserved."

      "Fuck women. All they're good for is sex. But at least they excel at that...."

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    3. They're called trolls. You're a moron to take them seriously.

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    4. It's amazing how you could tell the future 5.b considering your post was posted yesterday at 11pm. The evidence you gave relies on comments posted after that time. So basically you assumption relied on the fact you're a misandrist and provoked such comments to happen with your original post.

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    5. 5b here. I'm not the original 5.

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    6. 5c, "trolling" doesn't make it acceptable. So it's okay to act like a dick now just because you're anonymous?

      No, it isn't - and it shouldn't be. Well-moderated sites should censor content like that right up front. In the real world, it'd be considered hate speech. So it shouldn't be okay online.

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    7. ^ And out comes the banning. "If you don't agree with me then you should not be allowed to speak."

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  6. You are correct, UW emphasizes academic achievement and entrepreneurship. This is why it is a highly regarded school and people choose to go to it to get a real, academically rigorous education.

    This is also why the school could never for students to take a women's studies course. That would spit in the face of its goals to be an actual place of learning rather than an echo chamber filled with flawed and biased "research" which students are only allowed to agree with and apologize for their audacity of being born with a y chromosome.

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    1. Fuck women. All they're good for is sex. But at least they excel at that....

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    2. @6.a

      I said nothing hostile about women, so I don't know where that is coming from.

      I just really hate intellectual dishonesty, and you can't flip a quarter without hitting some in that field.

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    3. +1.

      The OP's post is bait anyways.

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  7. There is no misogyny here. Any hate that women get is deserved.

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  8. What a retarded post. As a woman, I think females have it pretty fucking good at this point in time. Obviously there are issues, but I'm pretty sure males go through certain issues that us as women would never think twice about. That's life. I think Canadian society is pretty fucking respectful of women in general. I've had female teachers, doctors, employers, there are a number of female politicians, etc.etc. What else do you need to show that women are respected? It's people like you that make us all seem like whiners and shit. Yes there is misogyny on this site, but there is also a ton of racism and other fucked up shit that people know isn't socially acceptable. So they say it here because they know it's wrong. And a course on women's studies? Please.

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    1. ^this
      If you have problem, bring it up. Don't post stuff like this. Give me examples of mysogyny and we can fix that.

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    2. > As a woman
      > females

      Lol. #YourSlipIsShowing

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    3. 8, " female politicians" ... you *are* reading the sexual harassment climate on Parliament Hill articles, right?

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    4. If you're a woman, I'm Angelina Jolie.

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  9. Well fuck me raw and string me up by my penis

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  10. Oh my god...
    Shut The Fuck Up
    Minority interests should never interfere with a solid non-bullshit humanities program. Do you see the aspie PR of the university at steak with putting us in such classes?

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    1. lol Steak Ass Pie

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    2. > minority interests

      LOL GUISE WOMEN ARE A MINORITY

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    3. Women aren't a minority idiot, but feminists are.

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  11. Nonsense, OP. Those who come to this school are already adults. If they aren't appropriately educated on how to act like decent fucking human beings, then it's not our job to educate them on that. That's a failing of the public education system.

    ...Thanks, McGuinty.

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  12. As a guy from Toronto, this is the image that I have of feminists:

    Exhibit A:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

    Exhibit B:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvByTdMXlPM

    And don't you dare say "Not All Feminists...", because the UoT crowd is a representative sample of Women's Studies majors and class attendees.

    Say no to feminism.

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    1. Yeah, those videos are fucked up. As time goes on I continue to lose faith in feminism...

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    2. Have a look at Christina Hoff Sommers, she is a real breath of air in the toxic cloud that is modern feminists.

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  13. I have been reading the comments on this website for a long time and I am completely disgusted and horrified by the amount of misogyny at our university.

    This. What the fucking hell.

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    1. I am so very disappointed in you, scshunt.

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    2. What for? If it's for getting worked up over people being terrible on the Internet, all right, you got me.

      If it's for standing up and agreeing with someone pointing out that there are a lot of people saying terrible, hurtful things on the Internet, then I don't really care what you think, sorry.

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    3. Stop being a sycophant hunt.

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    4. this... isnt sycophancy...

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  14. OP, you started so well. If it's a result of the institution then make the institution take the courses, starting from the President and working down. Start with the leaders and staff now. I'm sure there are plenty who could learn a thing or two.

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  15. I agreed with you up until the forced Women Studies course, because that wouldn't work. It goes deeper than that.

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  16. Know what would make me more misogynistic? Being forced to take a bullshit women's studies course. My electives are for interesting science courses and I would NOT appreciate a course slot being wasted on that BS. Women have it great in Canada, end of story.

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    1. Women have it great in Canada where 1 in 5 women has been RAPED at some point in their life?

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    2. @17a

      Where the hell are you getting that number from? 1 in 5 being sexually assaulted is the statistic I've always heard. Sexual assault does NOT always equal rape. I'm not saying forced kissing or unwanted groping is okay, but it's not rape and most women can move past it. There's no way 1 in 5 women are being raped.

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    3. @ 17a+b http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm?s_cid=ss6308a1_e

      This is all I could find. They use a skewed definition of rape, where "made to penetrate" is not counted as such. The numbers appear to actually be fairly comparable for both men and women if you consider "made to penetrate" as rape.

      The survey is self-reported which may skew the numbers to actually be higher than they are.

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    4. @17.a

      Next you are going to tell me that women in Canada make 30% less money than men do, and if you don't see this is a joke you should seriously re-evaluate what you consider a trusted source.

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  17. Women studies has a very diverse offering of courses https://uwaterloo.ca/womens-studies/current-undergraduates/course-offerings
    I don't understand why people couldn't spare one elective to get educated on gender issues.

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    1. The key point being gender, singular, issues. Perhaps have a course on how to make sandwiches and give awesome blowjobs as the counter credit for women? No? That's because both ideas are stupid.

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    2. They don't truly have a diverse range of offerings, they have a bunch of courses that push the same dogma on a bunch of different settings.

      If the department at waterloo is like those basically everywhere else in north america they have no intellectual diversity and based on what I have seen so far from their "research" this seems to be the case. Everything is a round hole when you are a gender studies prof.

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  18. OP, your intentions are good but forcing people to take women's studies is not the answer. Just like any other mandatory course students hate taking, they would not take the content seriously and would forget everything immediately after. Their attitude has to be changed first in order to make them receptive to the content. I would not be happy taking women's studies as I'm already having trouble fitting all my science classes in.

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    1. OPs intentions are not good lol they're authoritarian and controling. Believe what I tell you to believe or no degree for you.

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    2. >Their attitude needs to be changed to make them receptive to the content?

      Are you serious? Are you seriously suggesting that indoctrination is an appropriate thing for a university to do? Wow, just wow.

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    3. 19b, so you're suggesting, of course, that we should refuse to accept the idea that women have a place inside our society outside of the bedroom and the kitchen. This is a wonderful idea, and your contributions to this conversation are greatly valued.
      \end{sarcasm}

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    4. @19.c if you could contribute something more than strawman arguments that would be appreciated.

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    5. @ Hey 19.b, this is 19. Are you serious? Are you seriously suggesting that is what I said? Wow, just wow. Not sure how you ended up reading my message that way but that is NOTHING near what I meant. I"m talking about CO-OPERATION and being willing to give a topic a chance if you normally have a negative view towards it and would cut off anybody who'd try to persuade you otherwise. You can force a student to memorize who knows what for a test but guess what? If they don't care about trying to understand or reflect on the content, they're just regurgitating words because they have to and will never take anything meaningful away. There's a difference between HEARING and LISTENING. The point of the women's studies course suggestion was to make people reflect on the issues if they gave that other view a chance to speak. How can people do that if they go into class with a negative attitude towards wanting to see what others have to say? Nobody's forcing anybody to believe in anything.

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  19. Fun fact: Jian Ghomeshi has a minor in women's studies.

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  20. Where do you plan on squeezing in this course OP not everyone has 20 fucking electives. Im in mathbus , I have 4 (I used them for more economics, finance and a 5th calculus course) why the fuck should I give up 25% of my electives to take a course you think is important? Some people have even fewer or no electives what about them. When does it end? I think business courses are neat, and real world business skills are important but I wouldn't force someone to take a course "for their own good"

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  21. I fully agree with your plan, OP. All those who do not accept our dogma must be sent off for "re-education".

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    1. Perhaps, based on the (extreme) refusal to sacrifice either an elective of the term, or a few hundred dollars to take a Woman's Studies class, as I feel would benefit everyone, regardless of gender, such a course of action should be taken much earlier in life, say, from elementary or pre-school.

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    2. @22.a

      You mean like the basic rules of human interaction that everyone is taught growing up in our society?

      Or do you mean aligning people to one narrow view on the matter so that there is less descent when more BS is shovelled on?

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    3. 22.b -

      This goes beyond basic human interaction.

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  22. Maybe not a full Women's Studies course, but some sort of mandatory 2-3 hour workshop on consent, harrassement, etc. is much needed and would be totally appropriate.

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    1. How about a course about not getting so drunk you can't see, not having your ass hanging out of your dress, and not taking random dudes home for sex and then crying rape when you regret it in the morning.

      Actually, no fuck that I love drunk sluts

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    2. @23a, you shouldn't be allowed to live on this planet

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    3. @23b I'm a woman and I disagree with your statement...23a isn't a morally great guy, but he's not doing anything WRONG. If you say he's a dick, than means all sex while drunk is rape? It's her fault she got so drunk that she made the decision to take him home. But SHE made that decision. He is in his right to follow through with that sex she is offering, despite her being in a drunken stupor. It is not rape then, nor the next morning, because like it or not she DID consent.

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    4. @23c wrong! Consent should be conscious. It's not rape but it isn't consensual sex either. He's taking advantage of her.

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  23. Such misandry on this post. Just because I have a penis it's assumed I automatically need workshops. Amazing how feminists work.

    Imagine using religion as a replacement for this idiotic ideal. Having one person stating they're a Christian and how people should live to their arbitrary standards. Now because you're not a Christian you need to take a course on Theology, Christianity, Etc. just because they feel you're not Christian enough PLUS have you pay for it. Utter stupidity. What ever happened to personal choice?

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    1. It's not misandry to say that men are privileged. They are. It's a fact. And because of the nature of privilege, privileged group don't realize how privileged they are, thus perpetuating inequality. Refusing to acknowledge that you are privileged is misogynistic, and it is the result of a lack of education.

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    2. ^ lol that's one hell of a fallacy going on there. Try again.

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    3. It's not misogyny to disagree either, fuckwit.

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    4. @24, I don't think only men should have to take such a workshop. Women would also benefit from it. I don't see how suggesting such a workshop is misandry. Sexual harassment and assault is a reality and being more aware of it would benefit everyone, not only women.

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  24. Basically, if you believe that you are not at all misogynistic and that you don't need these classes, chances are you are actually misogynistic and you are one of those who need those classes the most.

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    1. Repeating the same message over and over makes you correct somehow?

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    2. @25a, what fact do you have trouble understanding, that you are privileged by being a male or that you are misogynistic by denying your privilege?

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    3. I have trouble with the fact that you assume being male is a privilege. Your sense of reasoning is something like a strong man trying to pull himself up by his own hair. It's utter stupidity.

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    4. http://www.sap.mit.edu/content/pdf/male_privilege.pdf
      That might help you educate yourself

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    5. A random link by a nobody? Where is this education you speak of?

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    6. well, if you want more education, you should consider a women's studies class :)

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    7. You fail at critical thinking. Perhaps a few courses would help you out before trying to push your dogma on others?

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    8. @25g, yes, it's much easier to attack me than to question your own biased beliefs.

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    9. No. You having zero ability for critical thinking skills makes my statement quite true. Perhaps you should read other books rather than your feminist propaganda and open your eyes to the world?

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    10. Circular reasoning is a must for feminists.

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    11. Why don't you just get a sex change? Then you too can enjoy these male privileges and be a misogynist!

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  25. 25: you make a false presumption that people who don't plan in taking the course need to take the course. This is a bad argument. http://bookofbadarguments.com

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  26. https://www.change.org/p/the-honourable-chris-alexander-p-c-m-p-minister-of-citizenship-and-immigration-canada-keep-julien-blanc-and-real-social-dynamics-rsd-out-of-canada

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  27. I am completely disgusted by the number of students at our university who fail to understand basic concepts in science. Everyone should be required to take a course on Newtonian physics in their curriculum. I would rather live in a society where adults can be expected to know the difference between speed and acceleration.

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    1. Hold it albert fuckstein! Social issues are much more important than science and they touch a much greater number of people in this day and age. Remember that the nazis were pretty good at science and technology... those gas chambers were engineering marvels. Unfortunately, that's all they were good at.

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    2. 28b + 100000000000

      The biggest problems in the world are social/cultural.

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    3. Aaaaaand Godwin's law.

      Surprised it didn't happen earlier...
      Hitler was a man therefore all men are hitler right feminists?

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    4. @28d, not all men are hitler, but a woman couldn't have been hitler.

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    5. True.
      If we had more female leaders, the world wouldn't be such a mess. Look at every war in the history of humanity, it's always men fighting other men. Matriarchal societies are more peaceful and happy.

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    6. ^ Complete and utter bullshit. This comes from experience with sexual harassment and discrimination from female supervisors and bosses. I'm a guy.

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    7. @28d No one said or even suggested all men are like Hitler. The point is that there's this emphasis on the hard sciences when the world has all these social and cultural issues that we should be trying to resolve. Science in the wrong hands (e.g. racists, people who don't care about or don't want equality) will destroy the whole world.

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    8. 28: Yes. Everybody should have enough science education to grasp at least core concepts Newtonian physics and to recognize those principles in action. And everybody should have enough sociological education at least to understand and recognize systematic misogyny. Both of those things are true.

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    9. ^Newtonian physics is based on scientific method, logic, and superior reasoning. Since inception it have been built upon greatly, but still serves as a building block towards modern day physics.

      Systematic misogyny is based on hearsay and anecdotal evidence. Feminism has gone backwards since inception, not forwards. Big difference.

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  28. Feminists are worse than cancer

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    1. You spelled "misogynists" wrong.

      Seriously, is every other male student at this school some redpill-gobbling PUA wannabe?

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    2. Red pill? Are feminists so blinded by their ideology to realize that there are multiple groups of people that don't agree with their sexist beliefs?

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    3. Red pill, as fucked up as it is, is a reaction to extreme feminism. Both groups are extremely sexist and should be put down.

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  29. SOLUTION: EVERYONE should be required to take a quick test when they enter university. Questions would be along the line of: Is your partner obligated to have sex with you because you are in a relationship?, etc. Those who fail should take the course.

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    1. Sort of like the requirement that you need to take an English course if you got below a certain grade in your high school English credit.

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    2. why not make something like a PD course and make students in 1A take it.

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    3. Sure. Have the women's test asking if they can cook or make a decent sandwich.

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    4. @30c Given that they are university students, everyone should be tested on if they can cook and prepare sandwiches.

      All the misogynists will need the practice for spending their lives miserable and alone.

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  30. And thissssss is why I *don't* let the women I find out of the sex cage in my basement. They open their mouths, and all this fucking stupid shit comes out.

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  31. Wtf is with you people here and shouting misogyny every two seconds?

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    1. I think it's probably because of all the shrieking red-ass-baboon raging misogyny. But, you know, could be indigestion, and the misogyny's just a coincidence.

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    2. Feminists need something to complain about otherwise their man-hating ways may be invalidated.

      Just look at 32.a's response. I thought I knew dumb, but then came feminists to prove me wrong.

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  32. (from 17b this time): "I'm not saying forced kissing or unwanted groping is okay, but it's not rape and most women can move past it."

    This^ is an example of an excuse for sexual assaults. I've heard pieces of it on campus often, repeatedly.
    By our students. By our staff. By our counselors.
    It contributes to our campus spaces staying unsafe. A thought that can lead to an act, argued as victimless, with damage minimized.
    It's her fault for not moving past it, not moving forward.
    A rationale to revictimize.
    Retaliation's institutionalized.

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  33. UW does not have a monopoly on violence and sexual harassment against women on Canadian campuses. Yes the university's hand in it is swept under the rug by UW admin more vigorously here than any other campus.

    This needs to be solved from the top down, starting at UW's president setting the right example and not tolerating this anymore. I haven't seen that type of leadership from him in all his years here. So not holding my breath.

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