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Updated on Saturday, November 8

#20067

OMG: I don't understand why paying into WPIRG should be automatic. If the work they do is so good and vital, why not collect all their memberships through voluntary fees? Sure, those fees would probably have to go up a bit, but at least then they'd only be spending money from people who actually care about what they do.

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  1. They're socialists, it's in their very nature to try to force you to pay for something that you don't want to

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  2. Fun fact: by agreement on the original fee, if half the students opt out of the fee in any one term, it's permanently discontinued.

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    1. Interesting fact, but basically irrelevant. 15000 people opting out is so ridiculous as to be an impossibility.

      It's the thing about after-the-fact opt-out fees: unless they're particularly massive (i.e. hundreds of dollars), most students are willing to just take the hit, since getting a refund takes work.

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  3. Run a referendum if you feel strongly, that's how it was started.

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    1. You'd need to run a referendum at the WPIRG general meeting, because they aren't a part of Feds.

      Good luck with that

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    2. well, not exactly 3a. Read this http://www.omguw.com/2014/07/19499.html.

      Summary: Feds could run an opinion referendum. Similar to the reading break referendum, it would show the University what the student opinion is, and the Board of Governors could then remove the mandatory-ness of the fee. The actual membership fee of WPIRG would stay the same, you just wouldn't pay it automatically with your tuition and other fees. You would have the option of paying it directly to WPIRG.

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    3. there was someone who proposed a motion for referendum just a year ago. WPIRG brought hundreds of people to vote it down.

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  4. Social Justice Warrior believe they are entitled to everything.

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    1. Go back to whatever swamp you crawled out of, gamergater. I don't care for WPIRG, but I dislike you folks infinitely more.

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  5. OP, I agree 100%. Last time this was brought to a Feds GM, a ton of WPIRG supporters showed up and threw a bunch of straw man arguments and nice facts about WPIRG at the attendees (and also made a big commotion with the speaker's ruling of the meeting orders to silence the "for" speaker's list) to shut down the proposal for a referendum regarding their fee.

    It blew my mind that a group who is supposedly all about social justice wanted to shut down a democratic campaign and silence student opinion. Just because of the shady way they've been handling things, I've gone to get my fee refunded each term. There's no way I want to play any part in funding these people.

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    1. I also have a big issue with the current WPIRG leadership, since many of them I've worked personally with before and they are extremely intolerant to any ideas they don't agree with, or even if you point out flaws in any of their opinions they get very defensive and fail to see how they are wrong (and will argue to the death with you). Very close-minded.

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  6. ....I was at that meeting...none of those things happened.
    If you're a paying member you can now vote on decisions that the organization will implement at general meetings.
    Get your refund if you want, but just so you know.

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    1. that was to #5

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    2. Yes thank you I will still get my refund. I don't care to get involved with a group that can't take any criticism and actively tries to silence the student voice. If you didn't see any of that at the GM then you werent paying attention. I was actually on the speakers list and didn't get to speak thanks to the way WPIRG turned the meeting using technicalities of the rules of order. I'll never support them as an organization after that bullshit.

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    3. Not 5, but I was also at the meeting. Only 1 speaker from the against side had the opportunity to speak. Go to hell.

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  7. Nearly 600 students voted at that Feds GM. And they voted overwhelmingly in favour of WPIRG. It was one of the most democratic expression of student will in a long timeat a Feds GM. Just cause you lost the vote don't distort what happened.

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    1. Well, to be fair, at least 200 of them were directly recruited by WPIRG and their puppets.

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    2. @7b [citation needed]

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    3. I think it doesn't matter if they were 'recruited' by WPIRG or not. It's irrelevant. They were students, weren't they? They came to that meeting specifically to support WPIRG.

      The AGM is the highest expression of democracy in Feds. Literally any student can vote at it. If that many students care that deeply about something... then the end result is deserved.

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  8. Have you ever tried running an organization without a stable budget? The way it's currently set up guarantees that it can fulfill its mission in a sustainable way. No other organization on campus defends student interests the way WPIRG does. The FedS can easily be bought and sold/wined and dined; the people running for office have eyes on higher office and will not do things to subvert power. WPIRG will take tougher stances on issues as we have seen with the Schembri debacle.

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    1. What a pathetic argument. If we don't want to give you a stable budget, you don't get a stable budget. Fuck this "we need money because we need money" shit

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    2. feds can be bought and sold and wined and dined? what in the ever loving christ are you talking about?

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    3. Technically all that the Feds Exec do is buy *themselves* off with all the cash they spend on themselves.

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    4. 9/9c ummm... wtf? What money to the Feds Exec spend on themselves?

      Sure, they get paid a salary. But look at their budget - it's clear what they're spending money on, and it isn't themselves.

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    5. @9d $6,600 from the Office of the President budget spent on an Exec Transition Retreat, not to mention all the other trips that they go on that are usually stuck under another budget line.

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    6. 9e, not exactly the "paying yourself off" vacation you're describing.

      The transition - what do you expect a weekend in Toronto for 8 people to cost? (FYI, it was in Toronto because OUSA was also holding its transition that weekend, and OUSA is headquartered in TO). It's a full weekend where the old exec try to effectively transfer ALL the information and projects they've been working on for a year over to the new exec, so that the work can pick up seamlessly the following Monday. You need to pay for: accommodation, meals, transport... and that's probably about it.

      Let's talk about those other trips though. Again, not vacations. Last I checked, those are all conferences of sorts. Most of the VPED's contacts are in Toronto and Ottawa (Stephane is also the VP Finance of OUSA and sits on their steering committee), so how do you expect he meets with them? These things aren't free. And most of the time, there are student delegations (typically non-exec) who accompany the relevant exec to these conferences/lobbying sessions.

      Having an expense account =/= perks of the job. It's just the necessity of the job.

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  9. I thought WPIRG has been doing a good job supporting the students who have gotten screwed over by Schembri, isn't that what they are there for?

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    1. 10, is there a reason Feds couldn't have done that, too, and just as well? Feds only let WPIRG take the lead on that because WPIRG was there... if they weren't, campus would adapt.

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    2. @10b "Is there a reason that Feds couldn't have done that too, and just as well?"

      Yes, because they are a bloated bureaucratic mess

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    3. 10b, Feds has bureaucracy issues, but they aren't nearly as severe as you describe.

      Plus, all of the bureaucracy is under the VP Internal portfolio, not the VP Education or President (where this issue would almost certainly fall). It'd just be a matter of getting their lawyer to look over the necessary paperwork, and then filing it.

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  10. I don't have a problem at all with the fee; I do have a problem with the way they do not take volunteers seriously. If you want people to volunteer, you need to a) show up to meetings you've scheduled, and b) communicate.

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