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OMG: Really unimpressed with the lack of coordination and publicity over the Fall Reading Week Referendum - and everyone seems to be blaming students for not being engaged enough.

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  1. https://www.facebook.com/events/1545985985636001/1546030705631529/

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  2. I agree that feds has really fucked up with this one. it was part of vice president stephan hamades platform to implement and it seems like he doesnt even care enough to try and get the word out around campus about it.

    and in the imprint article from a few weeks ago it said that the person in charge of running elections is not even on campus right now. uhm hello, does anybody else see the huge problem with that?

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    1. NO KIDDING RIGHT i AM APPALLED what the heck is this. So disappointed. Not professional at all. What are we paying these people for.

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    2. We are a co-op school, dumbass. People go on co-op. That shouldn't preclude them from getting a position. The election doesn't happen till next term.

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    3. 2b but part of that job is overseeing the referendum which was in the Fall. If you can't do that, you should hand off the position to someone else, at least temporarily.

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  3. Forget Fall Reading Week - the referendum, if it receives a yes vote, will only recommend to Senate that TWO DAYS be taken off in the Fall Term, with no further information regarding what that will entail. Furthermore, if there is a yes vote, it's extremely unlikely Senate will be able to do it for 2015... meaning it won't be a thing next year. In fact, next year we're still almost certain to have Saturday classes!

    I'm voting no. There are too many unanswered questions about this whole process. It'll also be damaging for first-years to go into their first days of classes still burned out from having orientation week the previous day (without the day of rest they currently get before starting class), and that bothers me too.

    I like the idea, I don't like the implementation. And I don't like how Feds has handled this whole thing. I don't blame the VPED - he did the best he could to leverage the different options with the admin - but the folks running the vote have really dropped the ball.

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    1. > In fact, next year we're still almost certain to have Saturday classes!

      I mean, that was going to be true regardless of the decision about the break, because school starts so late.

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    2. I agree 3 that the person running the voting has really fucked this up.

      is there a way to requisition their removal? can we get a requisition like we would for the executive to get them out of there so that somebody remotely competent could take it on?

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    3. IMO, I wouldn't want a fall reading week -- there's just too many things that can go wrong with it. Students, especially first years need to adjust to university life. If you don't get used to your working habits, you're not going to flow with your classes very well. The occasional holidays are good enough (Thanksgiving in this case), I think the fall reading week is just spoiling everyone. Classes being pushed a week further into the semester is just going to cram assignments and exam stress together, which can make things worse for sure.

      Plus we already have the holidays in December as our "break" anyway (two weeks at max). The winter reading week in February is basically everyone's "March/spring break," it's reasonable to have that break week during that time because let's face it, winter days feel longer in general and the only closest holiday we are given is Good Friday, which is practically near the winter term's exam times. The fall semester goes by quick and the weather's still good enough (or mediocre at most if you prefer) anyway.

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    4. 3b, if you really want to embark on a vendetta against the elections officer... they're appointed by council, IIRC. So ask a councillor?

      3c, I agree - especially since it isn't a fall reading week - just an extra 2 days off. Won't help anything.

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    5. 3c we would have family day, winter and fall are very similar. The days are getting shorter in the fall and the days in general are shorter in the fall than in the winter(shortest day of the year is in the fall)

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    6. 3e, technically, the shortest day of the year is December 21st, at which point most exams are already over. Just saying. :)

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    7. But November days are shorter than February days, October shorter than March etc.

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    8. This referendum is totally an embarrassment to society. I feel that in order to be a good politician u need good "funding". Government officials believe in keeping the peace at these meetings that bring out some hardcore activists. So basically what i'm saying is. make this shit official. that is all

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  4. Figured this merited copying from the FB event:

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    Hello, I’m one of the student Senators, and I’m going to try and give a quick rundown of what this referendum means. If you can, go to live.feds.ca and watch the info session to get a more complete story.
    Either outcome will only serve as a *recommendation to the University Senate*, which will ultimately make the decision (faculty, staff, grad students, etc. also get a say). If it were to happen, 2016 is the earliest it would happen.
    We don’t know when the break would be. Thanksgiving is a likely option, but a) some on Senate argue it is too soon in the term, and b) Co-op has many interviews at this time.
    Orientation: There is a proposed alternate schedule, which includes having Move-In on Sat/Sun, and removing the “off-day”. It’s too early to say for sure, but it is possible that all Orientation programming could fit into a condensed schedule.
    Saturday class(es): Unrelated to this referendum. The question is only about an earlier start. Senate may decide to use this option to accommodate a break, and a Saturday or two with classes may end up happening next year since Labour Day is so late in calendar, but again, this question is not asking anything about Saturday classes.
    There was a task force created to investigate a potential reading break. You can find the report to the Provost here:
    https://uwaterloo.ca/.../uploads/files/20141020oagsen.pdf
    starting on page 96.

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  5. One thing to note here, looks like Nov 11th will be a Stat Holiday after this year. So adding 2 more days off is going to be problematic. I can't see how we fit a full term of classes while having now 3 days off.

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    1. Nov. 11 has always been a statutory holiday (Remembrance Day). We have never had this day off and will not this term.

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    2. @5a., Remembrance day has always been a NATIONAL holiday, but there is a movement to make it a NATIONAL STATUTORY holiday. So we have never had it off because it hasn't been a stat day, but it may very well soon be which means by law the university would have to close.

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    3. This isn't necessarily for next year, we may be looking at 2016. Look into the future, don't be short sighted.

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    4. @5c irregardless, their argument holds.

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    5. @5d.. really? "irregardless" isn't a word.
      Indeed, their argument hold regardless of the other presented arguments.

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  6. Nope, the law is still a federal law. The University isn't governed by federal employment law, only by Ontario law. Ontario so far hasn't suggested that they'll make it a stat day.

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  7. Seriously. I got an e-mail saying voting started on the 4th... on the 5th. This is why everyone calls you guys incompetent, Feds.

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