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Updated on Saturday, October 18

#19964

OMG: Seriously, it's like the Feds President either has no respect for Students' Council as an institution, or doesn't understand how democratic policy-making works:
http://www.uwimprint.ca/article/4567-contentious-motions-presented-to-board-set

25 comments

  1. OP here. I'm talking about that first motion - the one to reopen Board meetings to the public.

    'A crazy Students Council' first of all isn't something the FEDS PRESIDENT should be espousing concerns about, but even setting that aside, IT IS LITERALLY COUNCIL'S JOB TO MAKE FEDS' POLICIES.

    AND, when Council MAKES those policies, THEY DON'T SUPERCEDE PROVINCIAL LAW. *gasp*

    The Board is obligated to:
    -Adhere to the wishes of the GENERAL MEETING,
    -In a manner consistent with the POLICIES laid out by STUDENTS' COUNCIL,
    -Within the framework allowable under ONTARIO LAWS.

    What about that is so complicated, Madame President?

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    1. Adding on to that, I'm a lot more uncertain how to vote on that second motion.

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    2. That second motion is actually ridiculous. The reasoning behind it is because these credit card companies "prey on weak students" so it is Feds responsibility to babysit students and keep them from getting into debt.

      WE ARE ALL ADULTS AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ADULT DECISIONS.

      the person who put that motion forward is so stupid. Feds is going to lose $15,000 in revenues in order to keep students from making choices that they SHOULD KNOW are bad.

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    3. 1b hear, hear!

      I don't see the problem with them being allowed to advertise in Vendor's Alley, considering they're paying a crapload of money for it. If students want credit cards, then they'll buy them. If they don't, then they should be smart enough not to. It's not Feds' responsibility.

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    4. Its almost like the concept of personal responsibility has been forgotten. Its not credit cards that are causing students to go into, it's their spending habits.

      You can't teach someone to ride a bike by never letting them get on a bike, and you can't teach people financial responsibility by preventing them from getting into a situation where they could be financially irresponsible.

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  2. Hehe... the URL makes it look like 4567 contentious motions were submitted to the Board. That would be a long meeting.... :p

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  3. He's Feds president. Can you expect much? It's just low level bullshit politics. Stop expecting government to work lol.

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    1. He? lol... Government is necessary like it or not.

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    2. lol 3... maybe learn *something* before you speak... like perhaps the gender of the Feds President (hint: "he" is the wrong pronoun). Makes you look at least a little more credible.

      We as students have a lot more direct influence over a small corporation/government like Feds than we do over larger-scale governments. Obviously it's never going to work in a way that suits everyone all the time, but there are certain basic things that everyone should have the right to expect that will at least result in service to the 'average' student.

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    3. I could care less for who is the president since they're useless.

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    4. 3c, nah, this President has done *some* useful things since she started in May... this just isn't one of those things.

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  4. Can someone please give me an example of any legitimate organization whose Board of Directors actually has open meetings?

    ..... *crickets* .....


    Right, because that's the idea of a Board of Directors. You get a taste of democracy when they get elected (if your org. even elects them), and then meetings are closed so that issues can be dealt with without having whackjobs make a scene at every meeting.

    That's how the world works folks. Let's not get so upset. Council is open, Board is closed. If you're so zealous for democracy, educate yourself on the upcoming municipal election.

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    1. 4, sure I can give you an example! And what's more, you don't have to go far at all to find it!

      ...The UW Board of Governors.

      Senate is open. The UW Board of Governors is also open. Both have confidential sessions reserved for discussing sensitive financial or HR-related matters, and the UW Board actually takes an extra step of having a completely in camera session (i.e. no minutes taken) to discuss particularly sensitive issues best kept off the record.

      But the vast majority of the meeting content is open to the general public.

      Feds is an organization funded by a MANDATORY, NON-VOLUNTARY fee. Ergo the Board of Directors has an obligation to its members.

      I'm not saying their meetings should be open to the general public, but it should at least be open to the student body.
      At the *very* least, Students' Council should have a clear policy on what activities within Feds are to be held to what levels of transparency.

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    2. 4, your argument might hold some water if a) it wasn't false (as shown by 4a's comments), and b) that was actually the reasoning Feds had used. Instead they're taking the completely inexplicable step of closing their meetings to the public, while still publishing meeting minutes!

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    3. 4b - the board has used the excuse that "it makes them feel safer" and "fosters a better environment for discussion"

      honest to fucking god, the biggest load of bullshit to ever spew from their mouthes

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    4. Yes 4c, it's very easy to speak freely when you won't be held accountable for your words or actions. And I'd imagine you *would* feel safer when you know there's no chance your words could show up in an Imprint article at some point in time.

      ...ridiculous. Obviously the Directors have to put the best interests of the corporation first, but the corporation is beholden to the members who never had a say as to whether or not to pay that fee.

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  5. I think it's a positive thing that the meetings are closed. The reality is that these are student VOLUNTEERS holding these board positions (aside from Exec), and are making very high-level decisions that are in the best interest of students. If we had a mature population of students who wouldn't judge other students so critically (and at times inappropriately) by how they represent students in these meetings, maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

    However, we have platforms like this website and Reddit that mercilessly tear apart these leaders. To be able to protect their integrity as individuals who kindly give their time, I think it's fair to say that there needs to be protections in place to ensure their privacy. When people rip someone apart on the Internet, it stays, and a student shouldn't be worried how their well-meaninged co-curriculars on campus can potentially impact their professional careers in the future once they graduate.

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    1. 5, that right-to-privacy would be fine if they didn't have total control over $2.5 million of OUR MONEY.

      Sorry, but when you're making decisions that affect 30000 people, using millions of dollars of money that they had no choice but to give you power over... you don't get to do it in a locked room with nobody watching.

      If the execs want to bring on 7 volunteers who sit as a special advisory group, and have off-the-record meetings with them about sensitive matters every 2 weeks, that's one thing. But when those 7 people plus the executive have actual decision-making authority... then it all changes.

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    2. It's not a volunteer position. It's a fiduciary one, with very strict legal requirements.

      UW's Board of Governors have open meetings. There are students on that board too - 5 of them. They have just as much liability for the things they say at those meetings as Feds Directors do - if not more, since they're technically responsible for $650 million instead of $2.5 million.

      Other than the President and the Secretary, everyone on that Board is a 'volunteer' in the sense they are not paid. But those meetings are open. Doesn't destroy them.

      Also remember the Chair has the right to eject any gallery member who is behaving disrespectful (and if Feds had a policy on open meetings - which it doesn't - they could define what is considered 'disrespectful'), without the need for justification. So that helps.

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    3. 5a here again,

      I just want to be clear - I'm not suggesting the Directors are corrupt, or incompetent. The General Meeting elected them, and I'm sure they're all reasonably competent people with a genuine interest in Feds, and a desire to serve students by improving Feds. And I'm sure the way the Board does things is completely kosher. Really! This isn't an attack on the integrity of the directors.

      But just because we have great directors now doesn't mean we can operate a system like this (which again, runs on OUR money that we HAVE NO CHOICE but to give) without a series of checks and balances in place to make sure it's working properly.

      The gallery at a Board meeting is one such check. Those in attendance:

      -May be aspiring directors themselves, and through attendance will become educated in how a Board of Directors operates;
      -May have concerns over some aspect of Feds' operations that they wish to bring to the Board's attention (with the Chair's permission, of course);
      -Will bring validity to the decisions of the Board, as an independent witness to their actions.

      Those responsible for other people's money do not - or at least should not - get to choose how they want to be held accountable for the ways in which they choose to spend that money.

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  6. So we're all going to actually show up on Wednesday and vote, right?

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    1. Ideally, everyone will vote YES to the open board meetings motion, and NO to the SLC credit card vendor ban.

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    2. 6a, ideally for you maybe... I'd prefer to not be harrassed by credit card companies who want me to have debt. I'd love to walk through the SLC without trying not to meet eyes with people. They can find other business to harrass me that arent trying to rope me into a credit cards with 'free' movies.

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    3. Lots of options. Just don't be swayed by the bullies who will surely come out and try to block vote.

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  7. The communication with Froshers about this is just awful. Not a single one of them knows what is going on, and why.

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