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OMG: fuck #heforshe what ever happened to #bringbackourgirls. Seriously! Why are feminist so fucking happy that Emma Watson and Taylor Swift are feminists. WHO GIVES A SHIT! My god! Why does the world go ape shit when some pretty white girl talks about a cause? All this armchair activism is bullshit. Hello privileged white girls! Get you heads out of your asses and focus on real issues instead of rushing to fight every piece of criticism thrown at Emma and Tay-tay or what ever the fuck you call her. To say the issue of race, when it comes to feminism is, irrelevant is bullshit. Mainstream feminists are just a bunch of self indulged idiots who are doing more harm then good for the real cause. FUCK!

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  1. People like celebrities. When they draw attention to particular issues, there's a whole demographic that turns and listens who wasn't before. For many of their younger fans, it's a gateway to an issue they previously were entirely unaware of, and that interest sparks a lifetime of activism.

    It doesn't do *much*, but it certainly doesn't do harm, either. Definitely nothing worth this immature rant.

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  2. Yes you're right that we need to talk about feminism in the context of race but its hard to get there if people aren't willing to talk about feminism at all. What Emma Watson's doing is trying to get more people involved. Yea everything she said has been said before but as a likable celebrity she has the ability to reach people that your definitely aren't reaching by venting here. Come on, any comment about equality on this site gets labelled as femi-Nazi trash so how can you expect this not to get trolled.

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  3. Equality and feminism are two different things. Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights. Equality encompasses everything from race, gender orientation, sexual orientation, etc.

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    1. No. The Oxford English Dictionary defines feminism in this sense as "[a]dvocacy of equality of the sexes and the establishment of the political, social, and economic rights of the female sex; the movement associated with this."

      Equality is fundamentally a part of feminism, which is the entire point of Emma Watson's campaign, as well as the point of efforts by many feminists today. For a long time, many feminists have excluded men from the conversation, but now there is a renewed focus on recruiting (if I can use this term) male "allies", because there is increasing awareness that women's rights are not simply the responsibility of women.

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    2. @ 3.a. Feminism is a subset of equality.

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  4. You need to take your ELPE again.

    Your formatting is a mess

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  5. @ 1: "People like celebrities. When they draw attention to particular issues, there's a whole demographic that turns and listens who wasn't before." Why not specify who exactly is in that demographic or more importantly who is not (every non white female in existence).

    "Definitely nothing worth this immature rant". Well with your logic at least I am bringing light to a much bigger issue.

    Still you failed to mention anything about those girls. I've heard "the something is better than nothing argument hundreds of time". Again bullshit. You are just some privileged white girl defending Emma.

    Frankly I don't care about her, and don't really have anything against her. My biggest problem is people like you still totally ignore the issues of race and other bigger issues.

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    1. You're saying no non-white female out there ever listens to Taylor Swift, or admires Emma Watson's acting ability? That seems awfully close-minded of you.
      I wasn't blown away by anything in Watson's speech, I really wasn't. It has all been said before, she just happened to a) be an acclaimed actress with a huge global following (and fairly impressive record of humanitarian work in underprivileged nations), and b) she delivered her speech quite well (which you'd think an actress should be able to do).

      I'm actually a guy, hope that doesn't invalidate anything I'm saying. I certainly like to think that I'm not "totally ignorant" of the world's major issues, especially those issues as they relate to race. I care deeply about equality and freedom in all its forms and variants, I act whenever I can in whatever small ways I can manage, and I sincerely hope I never stop caring, or acting.

      I hope you don't continue to put everyone in these narrow little boxes, accusing them of not supporting "the right kind of social justice."

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    2. well-said and no, what you're born doesn't restrict what you should say

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  6. You appear to be extremely ignorant.

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  7. This post will accomplish nothing.

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  8. Who ever said the issue of race (in a feminist context) was irrelevant? That's news to me, I was under the impression it was common knowledge that race was a significant factor.

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    1. It's not really recognized, and women of different races aren't really in the mainstream, which is a problem.

      White, mainstream feminists seem to be the ones talking as if all feminist experiences are the same, and they're not. They're speaking for all women, and balk at acknowledging the fact that these women need to be speaking their own truths.

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  9. The only requirement to be a feminist is a vagina

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    1. men can be feminists...I am

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    2. You are nothing more than a yes-man to them.
      Your opinions mean nothing to them and will be disregarded unless they're repeated by a woman.
      You cannot aid in the evolution of the ideology.

      All because you have a penis.

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    3. 9b, I'm a man, and I reject your statement. Ideology has nothing to do with it... I further the cause of feminism just by treating women the same way I do any human being.

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    4. You absolutely do not need to be a woman to be a feminist. I am a feminist, albeit a quiet one.

      (You also do not need to have a vagina to be a woman, fyi)

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  10. Feminism has historically been racist and it seems to me that race continues to be addressed (if it is recognized at all) as a secondary issue rather than a predominate or intersecting one.

    I do think that people with privilege have a responsibility to speak about injustice and work towards change... but how about rather than taking center stage sharing the stage with someone who otherwise would not be included in the conversation.

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  11. a thread full of faggots, oh my

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    1. Your post is ironic and part of Ms Watson's issue.

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    2. Ooh ooh ooh I know the answer!

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  12. Don't get me wrong, equality should be certain, but extreme Feminists are just as bad as ISIS.

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    1. I might believe that once feminist groups start beheading random men and videotaping it for the world to see.

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  13. OP'S LAW: NO TWO DIFFERENT FEMINIST CAUSES MAY EXIST AT ONCE. ALL FOCUS MUST BE ON THE VERY WORST THING.

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  14. So its not okay for us to be sexist, but if you go on a racist rant its all good?


    Fuck off.

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  15. This is bullshit. The fact of the matter is that Watson delivered a speech that reached men and women and brought the topic of feminism back into everyday conversation. What is wrong with that? I haven't ever seen so many people commenting on feminism or equality of any kind, and that really carries out much of the intent of Watson's speech. Who cares if it mainly attracts "white girls"? It's attracted positive attention, and that's the basis of any cause.

    As a "privileged white girl", I resent the fact that you state that my head is in my ass. I am fully aware of "real issues" and make a point of doing what I can (within reason) to help those causes. As far as I'm concerned, race is irrelevant when it comes to feminism. Everyone with a vagina is female, regardless of their race, so supporting non-radical feminist ideals is, in essence, supporting all races. Do you really think that because I consider myself a mainstream feminist, I am doing "more harm than good for the cause"? If so, you are the ignorant one, and I hope you are more open-minded for those supporting human rights in the future.

    I'd like to point out that for a post regarding race and equality, your post reads as incredibly racist. I don't know what race or gender you are, and it doesn't matter - just take a deep breath and look at how the step that Watson has taken has brought attention and activism to an extremely positive platform.

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    1. 15:
      No race is not irrelevant when it comes to feminism. Mainstream feminism is incredibly racist, and has been from its beginning roots. There's nothing wrong with criticizing an ideology, if you want it to become the best version of itself.

      A black woman for example, has to deal with sexism from one end, and racism from the other. Her experience will be completely and utterly different than yours and mine (white women).

      To further this example: look at how women of different ethnicities are portrayed in the media (if any aside from white ones are even portrayed):

      Black women: rarely ever seen, and mostly portrayed as hard, cold, unfeeling.
      Latina women: sultry, sex symbols
      Asian women: geisha girls
      Muslim women: downtrodden
      White women: damsel in distress; everyone loves her

      This racism in the mainstream media is a BIG problem as it furthers narratives that the public regurgitates back like it's actually reality.

      For your second point: I've discovered that people who cry reverse racism usually do so when someone points out an uncomfortable truth. If it's racist to point out that intersectionality matters, then you don't have a problem with "reverse racism" but a problem with equality for our sisters of all races and ethnicities.

      /end rant

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    2. "Reverse Racism" is a stupid way to call racism against white people. It's not reversed at all, and it's just as bad. Why does it have to be a different category simply because the victims are white? That is racist in itself.

      - 15

      I'd like to point out that women in the media are portrayed diversely in a lot of cultures. If you watch international films and television, woman of all races are seen differently than in Hollywood. I also disagree with your point that black women are rarely seen and are portrayed as hard, cold, and unfeeling. Isn't there a huge thing with black women being strong, independent, and not needing a man? To me, that screams feminism. Similarly, white women aren't always damsels (the are portrayed as catty and micromanaging in a lot of media), and I could argue the same thing for Latina, Asian, and Muslim women.

      All of these women in question have one thing in common: they are women. Why do we need to segregate and label them to work towards a cause? We want equality, so start by treating all women equally instead of pointing out differences in race.

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  16. Racism against white people doesn't really exist. Prejudice does, but racism denotes power, and I think we can all agree that power structures benefit white men in our society.

    Re: the media: I was talking about North American media specifically, which has a following most everywhere. To claim that women of all races are represented equally is a flat-out lie. How many non-white Disney princesses are there? Remember the outrage over a black "Annie" and "Daddy Warbucks?" I never claimed that white women don't face discrimination, because trust me, I KNOW that we do. I also realize that WOC face different and varying degrees of discrimination which makes it much harder for them, and by default gives me privilege.

    Recognizing the inequalities of mainstream feminism doesn't take anything away from the movement. I would argue that it strengthens it even.

    This isn't segregating and dividing women. It's trying to lift up and empower women. ALL OF US. Why is it so hard to accept that some women face further discrimination, and thus may need a little more in order to gain full equality.

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    1. This was meant for 15b

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    2. Then what of the terms "white trash" or what translates as "round eyes"? No one's immune eventually, or everywhere.

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    3. Again I never said prejudice doesn't exist. However, you can't seriously be equating those terms with words such as the "N-word" with its racially charged history of 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow laws, and the crap happening now in the US.

      Also, I originally replied to your claim that race shouldn't be a factor, and doesn't matter in feminism. I ask you to think about what's going on with the missing First Nations women in Canada right now, and then with all seriousness claim that "race doesn't matter in feminism"

      This terrible issue is very much related to both race AND sex, and I can assure you that neither you nor I will ever experience anything quite like that just because someone called us "white trash" or "round eyes."

      That is the difference between racism and prejudice. (i.e. the devastation racism can cause, and does cause, vs. a few hurt feelings).

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    4. Actually racism towards white people actually exist

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  17. I'm starting to think that OP cares less about social justice, and is mostly just butthurt that people provide celebrities with a stage and audiences more readily than Joe/Jane Average.

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  18. OP, lookup elevatorgate. Emma Watson is actively involved in one of the communities I am a part of, and I knew of her through there, as I do not follow any of this Hollywood riff-raff (it was an article on her speech to the UN that caused me to learn of her Hollywood riff-raff back story, and I like her less as a result of being associated with that shit)

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    1. How is it possible to not know that she was HERMIONE fucking GRANGER?

      What rock have you been living under, 18?

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    2. Listen buddy, I am not a rock

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  19. Is anyone else bothered by the fact that her campaign is called "He FOR She"?? To me, this establishes an idea that feminism is only legitimate if males recognize it as valid. For true equality, would we not want to publicize an idea like "#HeWITHShe".

    I still support the general idea of Emma Watson's speech, however. I just think the execution is a little flawed.

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    1. I think it's more about trying to encourage men to advocate for feminism instead of viewing it with ambivalence (or in some cases outright hostility), but "advocate" doesn't as easily fit into a hashtag

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  20. OP, I don't think you really understand intersectionality.
    Some humans are female, some are poor, some are of colour, and some are handicapped.
    Just because someone is of colour, it does not mean they have a more trying life that a white person. For example, Michelle Obama has much more power than any white person you know personally.
    So when you say Emma Watson is not addressing issues affecting women of colour, you are wrong. There are several women of colour who experience similar social status as her. Yes, she does not specifically address the injustice of poor women in Africa. However, she does address women - this includes those poor women in Africa and Michelle Obama.
    She addresses gender, but you seem to think it is not right because she doesn't address race. These are different sections, and not every person experiences the injustice of every section.
    Your argument is as absurd as someone getting angry at Emma for not specifically addressing the injustice towards handicapped women.

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  21. @20 Yea but there's another point everyone in the thread seems to miss. Why have we completely forgotten about the bring back your girls campaign? Why do we focus so much on every other detail the OP brought forth but not the one everyone else is uncomfortable to talk about. We just don't value the life of people of color as much as we value white skin.

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    1. Who said we forgot about bring back your girls?

      This is the internet. There's a new fad roughly once every 3 or 4 weeks, and people latch onto whatever's most recent because they have the attention span of goldfish, apparently.

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    2. 21 as has been stated elsewhere on this thread, you can care about and draw attention to more than one issue at a time.

      It just so happens that the issue the internet draws attention to the most will (as 21a said) be whichever issue made a splash most recently. Before he for she, the only thing anyone seemed to be talking about was the ice bucket challenge, and before that....

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