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OMG: Why are we in Ontario still tipping restaurant servers? I have looked into it quite a bit and majority of the servers get paid minimum wage that's perfectly acceptable. I understand in the USA where restaurants give an hourly wage that's way less than minimum so we have to tip there. Yet here in Ontario I don't see a point in the tipping unless you are providing me with exceptional service (which is rarely found). How about all the other people non-restaurant industry that are making minimum wage yet we don't tip them. Get rid of the tipping, we as customers should not have to pay the salary for the workers, that is the job of the company they are working for!

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  1. Would you just shut the fuck up?

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    1. constructive contribution/10

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    2. S'all good, OP is just a cheap fuck. Stop going out then and eat your instant noodles at home. If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out.

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    3. @1.b: Is OP a cheap fuck, or are you just a dumb fuck?

      Let see, are you willing to pay an extra 15% surcharge on your food for no legitimate rhyme or reason? Yes? Well I guess that settles it, you're just a dumb fuck.

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    4. There are 3 options here. 1: Keep things the same. 2: Have the restaurants pay the servers more and get rid of tipping and then the restaurants will just turn around and build the extra expense into the price. 3: Get rid of tipping and don't pay the servers more and then you'll just get shit service.
      1 and 2 are essentially the same and 3 isn't an option if you want good service. So shut your whiney cock hole and shell out the WHOPPING extra 3 bucks for a job well done or make your own food at home you cheap fuck.

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  2. Yeah fucking tipping it's so stupid....but I still always do it

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  3. Tipping = begging

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  4. OP, have you ever worked a service job? You would likely think much differently if you had.

    Servers do not get paid minimum wage, just so you know. They get paid servers wage which is less than minimum. Many organizations (outside of the food industry) pay people a living wage because they recognize and understand that it is not feasible to live off of $11 an hour, let alone $9.55.

    Would you be motivated to work for 9.55 an hour? Would you be able to pay your mortgage, your electricity, water, telephone, cable, internet, and grocery bills? What about insurance? What about the costs of raising a family? What about an RESP for your kids? What about an RRSP for your future? General savings? What if you need to buy a car to get to work because you don't live in an area with a transit system? The cost of the vehicle, maintenance, gas, insurance? Tips help supplement those things. Do remember, that despite popular belief, all servers aren't totally loaded with cash and can often go home with their pockets empty.

    The cost of living in Canada is generally higher than the cost of living in the USA. Things cost more money. Minimum wage doesn't change that much, despite inflation.

    Tl;dr You are not entitled to make a statement like this unless you have worked in the service industry.

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    1. 1. Why should the customers pay for the portion of your wage which your employer is legal obliged to pay you?
      2. If you are earning minimum wage, you should probably considering reducing your living cost. eg.I do not see why somebody who is on minimum wage must own a car.
      3. The thing OP want to express is, that there is no reason why restaurant servers should get paid better than the rest of minimum-wage workers, not that restaurants should make as much as their US counterparts. US is economically better off than us in general. Almost jobs in US pays more than those in Canada

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    2. Your argument holds for someone who's working to support their family. Many servers are about our age, and I'm left scratching my head wondering why they're earning more (at peak times) than I make during co-op when I'm paying so much for my degree.

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    3. 4a - Many times cars are required for jobs and you're STILL paid minimum wage

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    4. If you're working a job that pays you a wage that won't allow you to afford the things you want/need then it's up to you to change your situation, or otherwise make it work. 4.a, your reply doesn't address the OP properly at all.

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    5. Lol if you're down to pay an extra $5 for every meal you'll ever have in restaurant rather than tipping, sure. Even that $0.75 wage increase rose the price of every item on the menu of franchises (i.e. Cora's, Wendy's, A&W, etc.) by $0.50-$2.00. Don't bitch about paying $15 for a shit burger at Wendy's if what you're proposing ever goes through, OP. Go work as a server for a month and we'll see if you ever complain about tipping again. Eediot.

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  5. Someone has never faced the hardships of trying to serve/make food for demanding strangers. Tips are the only things that make the whole business bearable.

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  6. ^ this is true. I work as a server and we are paid servers wage, which is less than minimum. Also keep in mind a percentage of the tips you give are split among the bartenders and chefs, so its not all going directly to us.

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    1. Why should customers pay for the portion of your wage which your employer is legal obliged to pay you?

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    2. are they actually legally obliged or are you just saying that hoping that it will change

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    3. Except they're not legally obliged to pay you [regular minimum wage], seeing as server's wages exist :S

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    4. 6c this is false, there are no server's wages in Ontario.

      Source: http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.php

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    5. 6d Liquour Servers Minum Wage...That's what servers wage is. Most restaurants serve liquor.

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  7. I also disagree with tipping (although I do it anyway).
    I think servers should be paid minimum like everyone else, and tips should be given as a reward for good service. I understand this would increase menu prices a bit, but so what.
    I'm tired of servers not giving a shit because they know they'll still get tipped at the end of the day.
    @4 Sure it's not feasible to live off $11 an hour, but that's motivation to get an education. Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to be a lifelong career.

    And for the record, I have worked as a server. Yes it's a pain in the ass, but servers honestly don't deserve much more than minimum like some entitled people often say.

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    1. Lol you're a dumbass, you'd rather pay more for your food rather than tipping? You do realize that you'd tip less than what you pay for menu prices increasing, right? Say you had a party of 4. The greatest hike for food prices in franchises was $2 per item (due to the 75 cent wage increase). For argument's sake, let's say you all ordered the item that was $2 more. You just paid $8 more for your meal. Now, assuming you're like every other cheap ass, annoying student most servers deal with, you'll tip 10%. 10% of even a $15/person (which is a average price point) for a party of 4 would be $6. If you ate out once a week at a sit down restaurant, you just paid $8/month = $96/year more. You definitely did not work as a server, or you were at best a shit server. That's why you feel like you don't deserve much than minimum.

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  8. I don't work as a server (I'm a short order cook) but I've seen the kind of stuff servers have to put up with. Believe me, they deserve those tips. It may seem outdated to you, but it's nice to show appreciation for a person who waits on you, caters to your every need, keeps their cool when you're angry and laughs at the same off-coloured jokes they've heard a hundred times. Tips let a server know their efforts are appreciated. Is really such a financial hardship to leave a couple of bucks on the table when you leave?

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    1. yes, if you eat out a couple times a week and tip 15% every time out of social convention it adds up fast.

      Fuck it, I'm actually not tipping anymore, that's the only way that servers are going to get a pay raise from their employers and not from struggling students for whom the extra 20$ a month is actually significant.

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    2. @8a. If you are so concerned about how much tips are costing you when you eat out multiple times per week then maybe you should consider making your own food more often. The way I see it is that if you can afford to eat out, then you can afford to tip.

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    3. @8b: I've often used that argument before, but sometimes I feel a little ridiculous having to pay an extra $20 on my meal for a tip.

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    4. Wait, so if m always polite to waiters then I don't have to tip? I mean, they didn't go through any hardship after all...

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    5. What about other service/customer-facing jobs where the employee has to deal with these same hardships (DMV, receptionists, fast food, etc)? Why don't we pay them server's wages too?

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    6. Yeah 8, because people in other jobs (not just service industry) don't have to kow-tow to other people, laugh at their jokes, and otherwise act in a socially-appealing manner to excel in their jobs. Servers are SO unique there, what would we do without these saintly saints??

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    7. 8c shut the fuck up. $20 for a tip? Either you're eating at a restaurant that costs $100+ for a meal, you're tipping nearly 70% on a $30 meal or you're not tipping anyone $20 bucks so go suck a dick with your bullshit to support your bullshit stance.

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  9. just how poor are you? go to McD if u are

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    1. They increased prices on their value menu! WHY!?!?!

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  10. I know plenty of servers that after tips they make $20+ an hour

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    1. Same. Seems pretty unfair when I'm making $17/hour at coop and my friend who works 6 hours a day makes 25 serving.

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    2. yup fuck tipping, fight the machine!

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  11. Tips account for less of a server's salary than you might think, and put them into a demeaning position where the customer is convinced that he/she has the right to lord it over them and demand that they jump through silly hoops for pennies on the dollar.

    Restaurants should automatically include a 15-18% gratuity on the bill, and ban any tipping that falls outside of that.

    That said, until they do, tipping should be AN ADDITION to the server's salary, not the bit that MAKES UP for a portion of the minimum wage that they aren't getting paid.

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    1. Pretty sure I've never seen someone "lord" their tip over a waiter/waitress here in Ontario. I also don't think waiters/waitresses even try to work harder to earn a better tip - tips are just expected now.

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    2. 11a people typically tip less when they get poorer service from a server - as though that somehow matters to the server's bottom line. They also tip higher when they get better service, and are usually feel all good about that fact (even though it is, again, pennies on the dollar for the server). The European model (gratuity included in bill) is far superior.

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  12. Let me just clarify that many of us kitchen workers actually do get a percentage of the tips. It depends on the location and the agreement between the employees.

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    1. They pool the tips and divide them among kitchen and wait staff at The Bomber.

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    2. 12a the ridiculous thing is that a server can't be legally forced to do that. If he/she wants to withhold all tips from the other staff, they can....

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  13. I'm no longer tipping unless the server or chef deserves it. It should not be obligatory... otherwise incorporate it in the cost shown on the menu.

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  14. I've been waitressing for 5 years now and I've decided that the tips aren't worth the shit customers put us through. When you go home crying after a shift, the extra $50 you made that night doesn't mean anything.

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    1. You do realize that everyone has bad days at their jobs, right?

      I'm pretty sure everyone who works in customer service deals with this shit. Get over yourself.

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    2. Yeah, all jobs suck and I would do a lot to get an extra $50 a night, that's insane.

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    3. What's an instant where a customer made you cry?

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    4. Agreed! Tips shouldn't be at the discretion of the customer - they should be a fee you auto-collect on every bill for providing a service.

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  15. In Canada, restaurant workers earn a wage of max{base salary + tip, minimum wage}. The employer is legally obligated to pay salary equivalent to minimum wage if the worker does not earn enough tips.
    (Thanks to 6d, source: http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.php. See the section on commission-based salary)

    Example: Mark, a bartender, is paid $5/hour and during this month he unfortunately earned $0 in tips. In Canada, the employer is legally obligated to pay Mark a bonus equivalent to $4.55/hour, so his final salary for the period is at least $9.55/hour (the minimum wage). I'm not arguing whether Mark deserves/needs to earn more than that, but in principal he can always expect to earn at least minimum wage regardless of tips.

    PS, some restaurants are coming out with 'no-tipping' policies enforced, I like the idea. http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2014/04/07/has-gratuity-become-gratuitous-should-we-end-tipping-in-canada/

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  16. tips for good service, otherwise nada

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  17. I hate tipping for a number of reasons (mostly because I find it extremely discriminating and although a tip should be based on service, it rarely is)

    This is a really good podcast about tipping for those interested http://freakonomics.com/2013/06/03/should-tipping-be-banned-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

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  18. Here's something to consider.
    As a server, if I sell x amount, i have to tip out a certain percentage to the bartenders, cooks, etc. (Ex. If I sell >$300 worth of food, i have to tip out 3% of the total sales). If i get shitty tippers all night, I actually have to pay out of my pocket to serve YOU.

    I know all restaurants are different, whatever - thats the way it works at the place I work, and it HAS happened.

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    1. That's a bad policy, that's not on us the customers.

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    2. Did you know that as a server, you can't be legally forced to pay out ANY of that tip money if you don't want to? It's a totally voluntary action on your part.

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    3. That is only true to a certain extent. You have the right to go to the labour board and tell them your restaurant is making you tip out and it is illegal but if you do that your manager will stop giving you shifts and try to get you to quit. That's the way it works. I know countless servers that have had that happen to them

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  19. People in this thread:

    "I don't want to tip because it's too expensive to eat out ALL THE TIME and have to tip too"

    "Minimum wage workers shouldn't own a car if they can't afford it on minimum wage"

    Anyone else see the hypocrisy here?

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  20. Everyone calm your tips.

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  21. Servers losing tips = no employees meaning the restaurant will go out of business so you cheap ignorant fucks won't be able to order your cheeseburger and fries anymore. Not to mention servers deserve the extra tips after dealing with all the bullshit the customers put us through. If you can't afford to tip eat at mcdonalds simple as that.

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    1. You do realize people can pick up their food when its cooked right?

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    2. Can't wait til lil robot waitors bring us our food

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    3. Yeah, why don't we just get our food or automate the process, not like 99% of servers actually add anything to the meal.

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    4. Aww, how cute, 21 thinks that dealing with bullshit at work entitles them to tips. Newsflash: that's every job in the world.

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    5. You're the type of server I would hate to encounter. Honestly, people working at fast-food restaurants are much nicer in my experience, since they probably really need the job and they know how hard it is to get one.

      Servers like you are fucking entitled, despite the fact that you work as a server. Literally anyone could be doing your job, but for some reason, you think you're irreplaceable.

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  22. It's really unfair the way waiters earn tips. Although tips are supposed to be based on quality of service, a lot of times it is based on appearance and customer's generosity. A good waiter won't get much if she keeps getting cheap customers while bad waiter can earn a lot by luck to get rich customers. I suggest this whole tipping system to be abolished and raise the waiter's wage. I'd rather to pay $10 than $5 + not sure how much to give then wondering if I gave too much or to little.

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  23. I am a server. I have worked at some pretty awful restaurants through undergrad including my current job where the work is tiresome and I get treated like shit for the most part. But guess what servers...SO ARE MANY OTHER JOBS. Tipping is bullshit and even though I make good money off them, I would completely understand if they abolished tipping and just raised the wage.

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  24. I'm sick of listening to the opinions from people who have no idea what serving is like. If you've never done it you have no right to have a pathetic opinion on "how easy it is" or "how you can get robots to bring you your food" are you fucking stupid. I'd like to see you take over my 12 table section with no issues. Don't fuck it up or your paying for your mistake. You don't see me telling an engineer how easy it is to do their job.

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    1. Maybe you should get a different job if you hate it that much.

      The difference between serving and engineering is that one of them actually has requirements. If serving is the only kind of job you can get, then I'm sorry, but beggars can't be choosers.

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