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Updated on Monday, June 16

#19293

OMG: From the School of Accounting and Finance: "The SAF Experiential Learning and Career Development Team is proud to announce that Meng Wang, Investment Banking Analyst for TD Securities, will be speaking at this term's Professional Women's Network workshop. The SAF Professional Women’s Network provides an opportunity for females in the School of Accounting and Finance to learn, be inspired, and network in a comfortable female environment. The workshops will provide educational and development opportunities for females to be successful in their life." Is anyone else bothered by this? I'd be really interested to learn more about investment banking and network with someone currently in the field, but I guess the fact that I have a penis means I'm not welcome. I wouldn't want the mere specter of my presence to ruin the "comfortable female environment".

22 comments

  1. it's not sexism if it's only women wanted silly.

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  2. why should you be bothered by this?? women having something like this is awesome since they've been deterred from these fields for all of time by being told they don't belong. you're a dude, you automatically have a leg up on networking in these fields because there's ALWAYS a subconscious bias against women in any STEM fields. let the women have their space, this is literally ONE WORKSHOP i'm sure there are others you can go to where you are not ruining their comfortable environment. why is it that any time there's something geared towards women guys get so up in arms about it as if they have NOTHING and they don't want women to have anything to themselves like chill out dude

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    1. First, your claim that women are deterred from entering STEM fields is patently untrue in this day and age, especially in investment banking. For example, Morgan Stanley has lactation rooms for new mothers. JPMorgan encourages female employees to enroll in their maternity care program as early as the first trimester. And there are countless programs among these firms meant to reintegrate female employees back into the workforce after maternity leave. There are also countless female-only recruiting events/networking events held by groups like The Association of Women in Finance.

      Your claim about a subconscious bias against women is also debatable considering firms have been known to explicitly express a preference for female candidates. The fact that female resumes get moved to the top of the list is also common knowledge. So if there is a subconscious bias it seems to be losing the battle against a conscious preference. These companies aren't shy about the fact that they want more women employees.

      Generally speaking, the reason for the modern day gender disparity in STEM fields has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with personal choice. It turns out that when given the choice, a lot of women don't want to work 110 hours/week and sacrifice their personal relationships for a flashy title and big payday because it's just not worth it to them in the long run. Google Erin Callan for more insight about this if you want.

      All that being said, for a University (which is a public institution, not a private company) to organize an exclusionary and divisive event like this is inappropriate. If uWaterloo is committed to equality SAF should organize two of these events. One workshop where all students are welcome and one exclusively for women. Otherwise the University should charge male SAF students less tuition since they receive less value from being here based on their exclusion from events like this.

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    2. When the fuck did OMGUW get filled with redpillers? Women aren't discriminated against, men are? Jesus.

      Take your evo psych and stuff it up your ass. It's been debunked and it's utter crap.

      STEM does not equal "things I think are valuable to society" or "fields with a gender imbalance", and I'm pretty disturbed that's how the term is being used here. Accounting is NOT a STEM profession.

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    3. ^thank you for your ever so valuable contribution. yes, in this context men are being discriminated against.

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    4. @2.d: Thank you for proving that you're out of your depth in this discussion.

      Step 1: Visit http://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/stem-list.pdf

      Step 2: Ctrl+F

      Step 3: Type "financial mathematics" and prepare to be amazed.

      FYI we're talking about investment banking, not accounting.

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    5. @2f - no.undergrad sad program could be described as financial mathematics.

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    6. ^ Except the Math/CA program of course

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  3. Wahhh women are getting something I want too despite that being the status quo for the industry! Sexism!!!!

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  4. Actually, does it say anywhere that males can't attend?

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  5. So a man is roundly mocked and belittled for saying he takes issue with his University (a public institution where he is paying tuition) denying him a valuable opportunity because he lost a chromosomal lottery at birth. Specifically, he's told to quit whining.

    This sounds disturbingly similar to what men did when women said they took issue with being denied access to the same opportunities as men before the rise of feminism.

    I guess it's true what they say about the oppressed eventually becoming the oppressors.

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    1. For god's sake it doesn't say anything about no men allowed, it's just promoting the fact that it'll be a women-centric environment. There are groups and events specifically geared towards women just like there are events specifically for people of all different faculties, religions or cultural backgrounds. You're not being "oppressed" because you "lost" the genetic lottery and don't feel comfortable going to a UWASA event....

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    2. The lack of an explicit disclaimer saying "No men allowed" doesn't mean the sentiment isn't being implicitly communicated.

      To illustrate, the event is being promoted by the SAF Professional Women's Network. The details go on to say that this is an opportunity for the "females in the School of Accounting and Finance" and the purpose being "for females to be successful in their life". The event also promotes a "comfortable female environment" as one of its main selling points. It doesn't take a detective to read between the lines and find out who isn't welcome.

      To your point about events being geared towards specific groups, this is true and it shouldn't be a problem. The problem is when a University collects tuition from groups A and B equally, and then only makes certain opportunities available to group A (please note the distinction between an event and an opportunity here). It shows a willful disregard for the welfare of others and strikes me as hurtful coming from an institution that I'm supposed to feel proud about attending.

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  6. Seriously.
    Take a look at the accounting industry and the ratio of males to females and just try to tell me that women are given the same opportunities. I worked big 4 and entry level you see a relatively equal male to female split, maybe more females. Look at the manager level, again pretty equal. However, once you get to partner its like 80-90% male.
    That is not equality.

    Other professions have shown the same trend. Women typically learn less than their male counterparts of the same skill and expertise level.

    So yes in efforts to change this, women may be given more chances/opportunities, but only to try to put us on the same level. I would take your position where men having their own information meeting about one career any day rather than have the diminished career prospects that I are awarded purely for being female.

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    1. I took your advice and looked at the ratio of males to females in the accounting industry (http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-accounting).

      "Women are 49.4% of all auditors, accountants, and investment professionals in Canada"

      "Women are 60.9% of all accountants and auditors in the United States"

      Based on this I could confidently look you in the eye and say I think women are given the same opportunities. The only area of concern (as you've already mentioned) is here:

      "A 2010 study examined the number of women partners at the Big Four accounting and found that women were 18.1% of all equity partners"

      Honestly I don't know why this is and it's a discussion worth having. However, it's immature to look at the data holistically and then chalk this last piece all up to misogyny and call it a day. The truth is invariably more complicated than that.

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    2. ^ Being a partner at a big 4 firm would be very difficult for a woman if she wants children. I would say, likely not possible, unless she specializes in some unique niche where she was brought in because of her unique knowledge/client relationships.

      It takes something special to make it to partner at a big 4, then it takes even more if you want to stay there. Family life for a woman partner is sort of unrealistic. You are your client's bitch.

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  7. Who hives a shit about ratios between men and women in these fields? Either become more talented then men or go back to the kitchen!

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