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OMG: The leaders debate was quite interesting, especially Hudak's story times

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  1. I consider myself a social democrat, but I found myself really impressed by Hudak. I actually think he has a very strong chance now.

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    1. Seriously? He's so over the top. Plus his platform is terrible. 100000 people being unemployed is a terrible idea. Plus he wants to tie the amount of loans you get to your marks. That is horrible for everyone who's on OSAP. That means screwing up first year will make your second year harder to pay for. Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2013/02/12/tim_hudak_wants_student_loans_tied_to_marks.html

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    2. 1a don't misconstrue things. All he's saying is: "there are nearly 300000 public servants retiring in the next 4 years - let's not replace all of them," and "we probably don't need as many middle-managers as we currently have." The people in the latter groups will find new jobs, considering he's also planning to lower taxes and hydro costs, making it easier to do business.

      He is also NOT planning to tie student loans to marks. There was a policy adviser in the party who suggested it, 2 years ago. And they've since said that it's not their stance.

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    3. Reducing the amount of loans given through OSAP isn't necessarily a bad thing. As an Albertan, we have significantly less access to student loans, because we don't have as well-developed and expected of a program as OSAP is. Therefore I find that almost all my friends in Alberta hold part-time jobs while attending University as they need that income to finance their education. In addition I found that more planning was put in before actually attending university to the financing, because people didn't just assume they would be eligible for OSAP or a similar program.
      In comparison, here in Ontario I know very very few people that hold part-time jobs while in school. Many rely on OSAP to pay and others expected that and then didn't actually recieve OSAP money. And they still don't have jobs. Making stricter requirements for OSAP and reducing its distribution and the expectation that most students have of receiving it would be a way to reduce government spending and maybe some student debt at the same time.

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    4. I would support linking OSAP funding to gpa assuming they account for program difficulty as well as institution.

      Someone going to York and getting a 3.7 is not equivalent to someone at UW getting a 3.7.

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    5. Reducing taxes for business doesn't necessarily mean that they will use the money saved to hire extra personnel. Instead, I think it's much more likely that they will either pocket the extra revenue or use it to improve the way they do business in other ways, or even just outsource those jobs.

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  2. "Hudak's story times," as you call them had me laughing at my TV. That was just too much. I felt like he was trying to give a pep talk near the end of a melodramatic movie. Every time he started in on another story I just shook my head. Establishing a connection with the audience is one thing, but he overdid it just a little.

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  3. I enjoyed the various patterns of continuous hand motions each of the leaders used.

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    1. The Wynne judo-chop and finger-pinch is the best

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  4. Dear god the way Hudak spoke it was like the next words coming out of his mouth were going to cure cancer or something. Jesus, he sounded like William Shatner making the most mundane things incredibly dramatic and overly emotional. His closing remarks made me gag with his "hope" for the future.

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    1. It felt very preachy... He kept saying he's confident in his plan. Kind of feels like when a salesman is trying to con you.

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    2. He is, he just believes he isn't. And that's scary.

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  5. Hey, I loved when Kathleen Wynne thanked the audience for "tuning in" and "joining tonight"

    Was she hosting or trying to keep her job as premier?!

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  6. It's interesting insofar as the Wynne-Bomb revealed her incompetence. I don't get how she can create more jobs by "having more government-business 'partnerships'" and spending more on government grants toward for-profit businesses. How exactly does handing out our tax dollars to businesses to work on "government-partnered projects" promote economic growth and employment?
    She reasoned that government investments lead to better business activity, but how? How exactly does spending money we don't have on infrastructure we don't need lead to "businesses better delivering their products" when businesses are reluctant to invest here because of the budget deficit & high taxes and consumers are more reluctant to buy from those businesses because they're taxed unnecessarily for inefficient government spending?
    It smells like demand-side economics, but really that's not the best way to go about it.

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  7. Honestly, none of them did a particularly good job. You could definitely tell it was Wynne's first debate. I'd say Hudak was the best which is saying something, but none of them said anything that provoked any thought.

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    1. I thought Horwath did a pretty good job, though she screwed up the closing

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  8. https://twitter.com/OUSA/status/473915148445704193/photo/1

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