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#18170

OMG: The shooter out in Cali sounds eerily like people I've met... in Waterloo.

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  1. Refer to:
    http://www.omguw.com/2014/05/18172.html

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  2. FUCK FUCK FUCK.

    this thread will only end horribly

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  3. As a fairly attractive guy who doesn't have much trouble with girls... I'm terrified of this place because of all the people I know who act exactly like Elliot Rodger.

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    1. well, u are ok

      he only shot girls

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  4. I guess Im like him in regards to the lack of sexual or romantic experience, but I understand that it's just because as a potential boyfriend, I bring very little to the table. I also understand attraction is not a choice, it's about who makes you feel good to be around, and I simply don't know how to make other people feel good by being around me. I don't know how to have fun. I get that that's all on me though, not the women.

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    1. Congratulations! You're like me two years ago! Use this knowledge to work on yourself rather than get depressed or self-loathing and you will see life really open up. You'd be absolutely amazed what 2 days a week at the gym can do for you.

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    2. 4.a Again, I should clarify that going to the gym is not a cure all or that being more physically fit = being more happy. However, being able to get out of the house, having at least one thing you do on a stable schedule, being healthier and seeing your hard work turn into results over the course of a few months can do wonders.

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  5. Asian roommates... check. Biracial... check. Problems with white girls... check. Jealous about white girls in interracial relations, whilst being a whiny little entitled faggot... check. People I've killed over this - zero.

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  6. all because of douches like these that women still get objectified... pick up artist is poison to society.

    http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/

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    1. I disagree. The PUA community has its share of creeps, fraudsters, and misogynists the same way any community has its share of bad apples. But fundamentally it's not about objectifying anybody. It's about self-improvement and developing a better understanding of the opposite sex (and yourself).

      Some men, for whatever reason, are unsuccessful with women. It's frustrating, emasculating, demoralizing, and they deserve a supportive community where they can go and learn how to better themselves and live happier lives. After all, happier men means happier women too.

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    2. The name is "pick up artist". Sorry 6a, there is nothing positive about a community that treats the act of meeting someone like hunters do stalking prey. Women are people, not deer to blindside and neg into putting out. The worst part is that even PUA's agree that their shit only works on women with low self-esteem and such.

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    3. You're focusing on the bad apples (negging, which is old school and has fallen out of favor with PUAs for good reason) and ignoring the benefits (confidence building and overcoming social shyness/anxiety).

      If I see a woman that I want to talk to and I approach her, am I hunting her like prey? I don't really understand your analogy there.

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    4. Ok, let me break it down for you 6c: From what I understand, PUA's basically seek to use psychology tricks to have women sleep with them. Just like a hunter knows a deer will feed at a stream, use a game trail to move around, etc, the PUA uses things they "know" about women that will make them more likely to have sex. Physical contact to establish intimacy, negging, and what ever else they're doing these days.

      What you refer to as "bad apples" are the men who try this all and fail (and get angry). But even the "good ones" are still treating women not as individuals but as numbers on a score sheet.

      Honestly, I have no problem with pickup culture. Talk to attractive girls, find out if they want sex. Lots of them do, and that's awesome. My problem is the tricks and the moves that these sleezebags use to prey on women with low self esteem because as soon as the woman has self-respect, an opinion, and a douche-radar you KNOW you're getting put in your place.

      Btw, I'm a guy.

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    5. I'm definitely open to hearing what you have to say, since I feel like there's a lot of misinformation floating around about the PUA community.

      Most people's information about PUAs comes from things like "The Game" and other materials from that period. I may be wrong, but based on what you've said it sounds like your understanding might come from that time period as well. These tricks were conceived when the community was in its infancy and most of these concepts have fallen out of vogue and are generally considered archaic these days.

      I don't claim to be an expert on PUA materials, but I do know that the emphasis has now shifted to working on yourself and not blaming the woman because you failed to attract her or failed to be interesting/fun enough for her. This way it's not about preying on women with low self-esteem, it's about improving your life and as a result the lives of everyone you come into contact with.

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    6. I want to believe you 6e. You're absolutely right about where my information comes from. That time period is when this all picked up and that's what I used to judge. I mean, I agree with everything that you claim the community to be and I've found that people who think this way have no trouble being social and don't generally need "PUA tricks"

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    7. non sequitur of the year

      way to turn a tragedy into an excuse to bash something you don't like

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    8. I don't blame you, that's the time period I first learned about it all myself. Unfortunately no community is perfect and some creeps will continue to push tricks to target vulnerable women onto vulnerable men. But at its core it's a more robust self-help community for men than I've seen anywhere else. And an excellent resource for guys who struggle in social situations, as long as they avoid the scumbags.

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    9. 6g. Are you fucking kidding me. They aren't using a tragedy as an excuse to bash something they don't like. PUA/Mens Rights Activists /Red Pill/MGTOW etc. are all DIRECTLY related to this tragedy because the killer justified his actions using rhetoric that these groups also use. If your movement has similar ideals to a murderer, maybe it isn't a great movement. Maybe a guy who hated women sooo much that he tried to kill as many random women that he didn't know is a good starting point for discussion on the misogyny in these online groups.

      Holy fuck. It is directly 100% related, and 6 is NOT using a tragedy as an excuse to bash something they don't like.

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    10. 6a. One look at the PUA community on reddit, shows me that you are full of shit.

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    11. 6.i you sound like an idiot. don't use this event to push your personal man-hating bias on others.

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    12. The PUA subreddit is /r/seduction, not /r/PUA. And yes, it's very sad to see people who hate the community using this tragedy to try and smear something they don't personally like, despite the irony that the shooter was a member of an anti-PUA community.

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  7. holy.... just read this. wow some people are just psychos, and I thought I was crazy for being lonely at times because I didn't have a significant other.

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  8. i can really relate to this Elliot Rodger guy, especially the parts about being a virgin, Pokemon, and WoW. when i read his manifesto (highly recommend it) it was like reading a biography of my own life

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    1. Seriously? I'm a girl in math that's also played pokemon and WoW. Stop with the pity party.

      I would say half the girls that I know are constantly complaining about the lack of guys/boyfriends/dates. It's just people are shy, one girl may reject you, but it doesn't mean all girls will.

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    2. Rejection is terrifying, and for a lot of guys it's easier to escape into a fantasy world than face that fear. There's no easy answer.

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    3. It shouldn't be terrifying though. It's like going to buy shoes. You see a pair you like, but they don't have it in your size. Sure you'll be a little disappointing, but move on to the next shoe/store/mall. They may have even better ones, in your size, and on sale!

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    4. I tried to read his manifesto, but he's so overly dramatic, self-absorbed, incredibly jealous and his logic is so ridiculous that I had to stop reading. Since he's rich, he cannot stand not getting what he wants. Couple quotes from the (not particularly well-written) manifesto that stood out to show this:



      "While there, I saw other boys who had inferior cars driving around with hot girls in their passenger seats. I have a BMW and never had any hot girl in my passenger seat. Not once. It only made me fume with rage."

      "In truth, there is nothing men like Dale can really do to help me attract girls and lose my virginity. They can’t mind-control girls to be attracted to me. It’s all girls’ fault for not having any sexual attraction towards me."

      "It is very unfair how some boys are able to live such pleasurable lives while I never had any taste of it, and now it has been confirmed to me that my little brother will become one of them. He will become a popular kid who gets all the girls. Girls will love him. He will become one of my enemies. That was the day that I decided I would have to kill him on the Day of Retribution. I will not allow the boy to surpass me at everything, to live the life I’ve always wanted. It’s not fair that he has the chance to have a pleasurable life while I’ve been denied it."

      "To make me feel more confident, my mother provided me with a better car to drive in Santa Barbara, a BMW 3 series Coupe. I had always wanted this, since I cared a lot about my appearance. I had been asking my parents for a more upper-class car ever since I found out that there was a car hierarchy, and that some students at my college drove better cars than others."

      "I often call USC the “University of Spoiled Cunts”, just like I call UCSB the “University of California’s Spoiled Brats”. Brilliant, fitting nicknames! Before Maddy came, I stalked her Facebook for a bit, and I saw that she was the exact image of everything I hated in women. She was a popular, spoiled USC girl who partied with her hot, beautiful blonde-haired clique of friends."

      It's basically him just repeating that stuff and calling it tragic and catastrophic and talking about how he's superior to everyone so the only reason he can think of for hot girls not wanting to have sex with him is that they are all mentally ill...

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    5. Thanks for posting 8d. Gives us all a good idea of how absolutely messed up this guy is.

      To those reading, if you feel like you get this guy then GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS! No one is better than anyone else, no one owes you shit, and even the people who seem to be worthy of this sort of hatred-worship have their own problems by the bucket-full. The fact that this guy was rich driving around in a BMW makes this all even more of a sick joke. I guess being white, rich, and a guy wasn't enough of an advantage for this guy in this cruel cruel world.

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    6. @8c: Not to beat up on you but that's an egregiously oversimplified comparison. I could be wrong, but it makes me think you don't have much experience with personal rejection.

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    7. @8f. You're right, I've never been personally rejected by the opposite sex, but I've lost my fair share of competitions to get that full impact of dejection/failure. I learned that I needed to move forward and take each loss as a lesson, then improve for the future.

      That feeling when you give something your all, and come so close, and then lose is devastating, but it really does make us stronger for the future. :)

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    8. Getting rejected a few times is OK, but when you're rejected by every single person for 22 years of your life, yeah you'll start feeling a bit pissed off and want to kill people

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    9. ^ Did you read the manifesto? I didn't actually see any examples of him getting rejected. And sometimes he says that he goes on walks to see if he'll meet anyone and when he doesn't, he loses all hope- how is it a rejection if someone you walk by doesn't approach you?

      "In all of its exhaustively detailed pages, no woman actually rejected him. The closest he came to speaking with a woman he desired was to say “hi” to one he passed randomly. When she didn’t respond, he wrote that he cried for an hour in the bathroom. In other words, this was not about the cruelty of a specific incident with a woman – though that too, of course, would be senseless and inexcusable – it was about women as an archetype, the controllers of sexuality."

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    10. Yeah- he's actually really cute so I doubt he'd have much trouble with girls if he did more than watch them longingly from afar and seethe with rage every time he saw them with a guy who he thought was inferior to him (which was almost every guy). He was way too in his own head and constantly talked about how they'd all look down on him even though he never even attempted to see if that were true.

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    11. You're right 8b, rejection is terrifying - for WOMEN http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com/

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  9. You shithead mods need to stop letting this crap through.

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    1. nice troll

      all the discussion has been civil so far

      why so butthurt?

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  10. OK ppl, Elliot Rodger was NOT rich. Just cuz he has a few nice things in life (ex a BMW) doesn't mean he's loaded. that's like saying, "You have an expensive wedding ring. Therefore, you much be super rich"

    In fact if you read his manifesto, you'll see money was one of his problems in life and he spent a lot of time and effort trying to get rich so that girls will desire him instead of shunning him for no reason

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    1. you make no sense at all

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    2. Why would anyone buy a BMW if they didn't have money? Your logic is flawed.

      A BMW is not equivalent to an iPhone, which you could argue everyone has whether they have any money or not.

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    3. No YOUR logic is flawed.

      I never said Elliot didn't have any money, I said he wasn't rich, ie he didn't have a shitload of it.. Everyone has some money, but only a few of us would be considered rich. Rich means you have millions of $$, no debt, and can pay for expensive things (ex a house) in full up front without mortgages or borrowing

      First, Elliot didn't buy a BMW, it was a gift from his mom who bought it for him. His parents may be rich, but that doesn't mean Elliot is.

      You don't need to be rich or have lots of money to have a BMW. If I hadn't come to UW, I'd have over $50K saved cuz I wouldn't have to pay tuition, and I can buy a BMW too. You can buy lots of expensive things in life just by slowly saving up the money or borrowing it. That doesn't mean you're rich in any way.

      And regarding your iPhone, if I had the newest, most expensive iPhone some people would think I was rich too

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    4. Rich does *not* mean "you have millions of $$, no debt, and can pay for expensive things (ex a house) in full up front without mortgages or borrowing". Many average people would consider what he had to be rich- definitely no need to be a millionaire to be considered rich.

      And I guess I should clarify that I meant that his parents were rich and he was used to getting what he wanted. I agree that he didn't earn that lifestyle on his own.

      And his parents were rich so I'm not sure why you mentioned the part about saving up money or borrowing it- it didn't sound like his mom had to make many sacrifices to buy him that car. It's true that you can save money by not going to university but I don't think that applies here so it's irrelevant.

      Buying the most expensive iPhone is not a good comparison since it's such a small amount of money that lots of poor people spend to look like they have money. BMW's are way too expensive for poor people to use to fake being rich.

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  11. He didn't buy a BMW, it was a gift from his mom who bought it for him.

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    1. Yeah- my point is exactly that. His parents were rich and he got used to always getting what he wanted. I didn't mean that he was rich because of his own work or anything. That's why it seemed so hypocritical that he called USC the "University of Spoiled Cunts" when he himself was a spoiled cunt-- the only difference between him and them is that girls weren't attracted to him because he's socially inept.

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  12. He's really cute. He must have a terrible personality and/or be very socially inept... which seems to be the case after reading his manifesto. Self-pity is such a terrible thing.

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    1. lol he's really cute? then i must be the sexiest man in the world 2014

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    2. Well, you're a guy so maybe you don't know what girls find attractive... but this is attractive:

      http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/elliot-rodger-war-women-yesallwomen-hashtag

      (I'll admit that maybe I've been in Waterloo so long that I've started to really like asian guys and he's half Asian... so maybe I'm a bit biased...)

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  13. To all the people saying they can totally relate to this guy- are you saying you think all women are mentally ill because they don't want to have sex with you? Are you saying that you want to kill beautiful women who do not want to have sex with you? If not, can you explain what you mean when you say you can relate?

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    1. I think they mean the constant rejection/or lack of interaction with women

      negative feelings towards the female half of the population because they have not gotten laid

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    2. Okay- that's what I'm wondering about- do they think it's women's fault? Do they think it's cruel or stupid or "mentally ill" for women not to help them get laid? Because I think a lot of people are sexually frustrated but not many would say they can relate to this guy unless they hate or strongly dislike women- that's what I'm curious/confused about.

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  14. Dude was definitely a closeted homosexual..

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  15. Oh my god- this is the most awkward video I've ever watched:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1096510/Haunting-final-video-Elliot-Rodgers-titled-Retribution.html

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  16. This guy was actually attractive, just crazy as fuck. Most people at UW are actually nice people, but they're just ugly as fuck

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