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Updated on Friday, May 9

#18103

OMG: HRM200. You literally have to pay $50 to be able to get 5% of the mark. Seriously? Why are they making a business of students? Couldn't they simply make their own quizzes directly on learn?

I'm sick and tired of all these external services, clickers, and other BS that is becoming so mainstream in every arts elective I take at this university. There really needs to be an approval and a limit to these things.

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  1. Can you clarify what the cost covered?

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    1. Online quizzes, lecture slideshows. There were 3 payment plans, the most expensive was all online context, etext, and hard copy of the textbook. Second option was etext and online context. Cheapest was just online content. Straight up bullshit. The prof used test bank questions for the entire exam, the slideshows were from the publisher.

      I know at Laurier that profs cannot force students to pay for services like this (quizzes). Access code quizzes can only be for bonus marks at Laurier. Waterloo needs to implement this and stop gouging students. My tuition should already cover online access to classes.

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    2. Email me at vped@feds.ca with your course syllabus.

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    3. 1a. "bonus" marks like "the weight gets added to the final if you don't do this". And you bet the final's going to be harder than the quizzes.

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    4. Sent. The syllabus doesn't mention the access code, just 6 bi-weekly quizzes on MyLab worth 10% which you need the code to be able to access them and the class slideshows.

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    5. 1.c yes but you still have an option to recoup the marks if you don't buy an access code. In this class you'd lose 10% of your mark.

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  2. In addition to this, what bothers me is that there's no consistency. A clicker can be an investment for multiple courses but when a prof chooses to use a different service just for his class (eg Top Hat, which was essentially a clicker), then students have to pay for an additional service. Fortunately I was able to opt out of Top Hat for the course but I don't know if every student who's had a course like that were given the choice.

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    1. *for the course I took that had it, not HRM200

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    2. YES Totally agree. Bought a clicker one term, never used it again. Bought top hat one term, never used it again.

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    3. bring your clicker back to the Bookstore for a $20 giftcard!

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    4. @2c is that all term? Any conditions?

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    5. Top hat is such a scam...basically a clicker, but now you can't resell it or use it for multiple courses. And it was made by a Waterloo grad too....

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  3. That's the way UW rolls

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  4. Also, I know some schools provide lab manuals. The fact I could have up to 8 labs a year and have to pay extra for each manual makes me so angry. Same with course notes.

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  5. Top hat is such a waste of money

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    1. u shut ur whore mouth pleb

      top hat was a godsend for ochem

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  6. ECON 344 they make you buy TopHat when an Iclicker could work JUST as well!
    I don't remember having to buy anything for HRM 200.
    But we do have to buy a Connect access code for one of our courses....and its only for 2 quizzes... its $100...wtf
    They really need to put a threshold or something.

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  7. They didn't make us buy codes when I took the course... I've noticed that over the years, UW had implemented more online tools and forcing students to buy them in order to earn a grade... Just out of curiosity, does the university make a royalty from this?

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    1. NO! The university makes barely ANY profit from anything textbook related. it is all the publishers, and what they've chosen to do.

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  8. The TopHat Monacle wankers are exactly what I hate about Velocity. Logic: people don't like buying clickers, so let's charge them *more* per class instead since they always have their phones! LOL DISRUPTING THE CLASSROOM WITH CONVENIENCE GUISE

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    1. If the school would just standardize on one or the other, everyone could save money :(

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    2. @8.a I totally agree with your statement, but I don't think UW wants to see it that way. UW and the federal Cons have this stupid notion that the only way to earn a profit is by forcing people to pay for something not needed.

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    3. Lol just got offer @ top hat. Why you mad?

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  9. Wouldn't this be an ancillary fee? The secreteriat's website says that "Requiring students to purchase access to online resources in order to complete course assignments, quizzes, exams, etc. which contribute to the students’ final grade is not permitted."

    If this fee you talk about is covered in that statement, you should talk to the people on the bottom of this page: https://uwaterloo.ca/secretariat-general-counsel/textbooks-clickers-field-trips-and-use-online-resources Ancillary fees of that sort are not permitted at this school.

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    1. +1, My girlfriend recently did this for one of her courses. Fuck stupid profs

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    2. Thank you 9. I had no idea such a thing existed and I have a feeling other students aren't aware either.

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  10. "Why are they making a business of students?"

    hahahaha

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  11. Perhaps you can make the prof aware of this policy, and ask if the use of paid online resources in her class are an exception:

    https://uwaterloo.ca/secretariat-general-counsel/textbooks-clickers-field-trips-and-use-online-resources

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  12. Would these rules also apply to that $25 FourSight thing required for ARBUS 200? Because I really don't want to pay for it

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    1. Four Sight is an absolute fucking scam. Don't buy it. It doesnt even count for any marks

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    2. @12a can you please elaborate further?

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  13. I am so tempted to drop the course because of this...

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    1. Same! My friend who took this course in the fall had a different prof who published the slides to LEARN for them and didn't make them take the online quizzes ... I'm thinking of retaking this course in a future term when that prof (hopefully) comes back.

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  14. lol @ complaining about HRM 200

    don't buy the materials, ace the rest of the course and still finish with a 90+

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    1. lol @ your logic. Considering the quizzes which require the access code are worth 10% it will be impossible to get 90+.

      (OP says 5%, but I just finished this class and it was 10)

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    2. It's actually 5% this time. I'm in the class too.

      Just because you have info doesn't mean it's right/not outdated.

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    3. Did she cut the in-class discussions as well?

      Also since you pretty much need the text to come anywhere close to passing the course I would suggest getting the etext+access code. The quizzes are extremely easy, you literally open the etext and search for the question stems.

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