OMG:
This past term was a strong reminder of how unwilling students in my program (AFM), and the SAF in general, are in trying to work together on challenging topics. When I came to this school, it was with the hope of collaborating with other students who shared similar views and goals. Now it's beginning to feel like no one cares about working together; it's more about serving self-interest. When did we start turning into such pompous pr*cks??!
This past term was a strong reminder of how unwilling students in my program (AFM), and the SAF in general, are in trying to work together on challenging topics. When I came to this school, it was with the hope of collaborating with other students who shared similar views and goals. Now it's beginning to feel like no one cares about working together; it's more about serving self-interest. When did we start turning into such pompous pr*cks??!
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Saturday, August 25.
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August 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM
Hold a sec. The school took upper years' feedback and kept on improving the program's design. New AFMers don't have to take useless CS100, can customize around their co-op streams, and anyone can view and apply to (some) ICAO certified co-op postings on Jobmine.
You mentioned collaborating with students who share views and goals. Could you be more specific?
August 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM
I get you OP. Maybe start a club or organization yourself for this. There are other people that feel the same way as you, show leadership. I actually stumbled across this site a while ago when I was looking for such organizations.
August 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Like 1 said, you need to be specific about what you mean in relation to collaboration. The culture of the place is sort of set up in a way as to encourage competition and self-interest, but that's just the nature of the beast in a program like this, so I don't think this issue is unique to SAF per se.
August 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM
Turning into? Baby, they were born (and raised) this way!
August 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM
I remember when I first realized this. You just have to stay far away from these people. Their fucking losers who won't make it anywhere once they get out of Waterloo
August 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Yea, we get it.. people in AFM are douche bags, even tho any online comment pertaining to the subject comming from people in AFM claims it's only a select "few". What a joke...
August 26, 2012 at 3:02 PM
mods, program bashing is boring and retarded, doesn't have that omg feel imo
August 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM
ppl who make these posts are the problem themselves. stop this hate BS
August 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM
I understand what OP is saying, but I also feel sad when people like @5 and @6 are prejudice towards students in AFM and judge them based on the program they are in...
August 26, 2012 at 7:05 PM
Real proposal: can someone just make a SAF gossip site? Since there is seemingly so much shit to talk about, just allow anonymous gossip and rants to go on a separate website.
August 26, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Just keep bringing awareness to this problem OP. You will encounter apologists who say "it's really not that bad" who have personal motives to prevent action. Mainly a "I graduate soon, therefore, I don't care." The only way to change is through action. Inform prospective students about this culture, hit the university in the pocket, then they will notice the problem. Until then it's business as usual.
August 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM
^ you realize even after people got their professional designation, that attitude stays. Three bodies are vying for talent and market share.
August 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM
"When did we start turning into such pompous pr*cks??!"
When you decided to pick one of the most mundane, boring aspect of an organization in sacrifice for high pay.
If you want a safe route to acquiring a fancy car, you chose the right one.
August 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM
@1 CS 100 taught us basic Excel, which is the only actual skill many of us have going into the job market.
August 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM
I'm in the same boat. Sometimes I wonder why I chose AFM. I've made only a handful of (mediocre) friends in this program, despite being able to make friends in other programs or at work. I thought it would be all fun and people would be similar to me in ideals, but I was way off!
There seem to be a lot of people who join the SAF and end up resenting it. We should start a SAF reject club.
August 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM
@15, maybe we'll get along. I'm the kid in the back who never talks.
August 28, 2012 at 12:32 AM
I used to be in AFM but then got tired of the culture and the work. I just graduated and will be earning more than what most AFM grads make (at least until they hit CA). Best of all, I enjoy the work.
If you want a safe, stable, but terribly boring career, accounting is the way to go. I cannot stress this enough. Hardly anyone is in accounting because they LIKE it, they just do it for the money and the stability.
August 28, 2012 at 12:59 AM
^ kudos to you. What did you switch into?
August 28, 2012 at 7:49 AM
@16: You pretentious prick. This is exactly the kind of attitude that puts people off. Not everything is black and white. Have you ever wondered why people don't get "involved"? I, for one, have never seen a more superficial, back-stabbing, selfish, and greedy bunch as the "outgoing" people in SAF. People in other faculties seem to be less concerned about this; and also seem to be far less cliquish from what I've seen. My evidence? Well, just look at this site. SAF always gets these kinds of posts about the culture of the place. I mean, I thought I'd be over this stuff after I left high school, but boy was I wrong. Now I get to meet greedy, back-stabbing assholes who are a million times worse.
So kindly, STFU :). I know it's hard when you worship your own a** and that of other "outgoing" people, but please, for your own sake, get some sense of perspective.
August 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Maybe start another club. Make the voting system based on ability rather than popularity.
Have an initial committee of about five people. Select those five people randomly from volunteers who submit their names. Have the committee silent/secret if you wish as they will be in charge of the next step in voting.
Have this committee take in the names of the people, not in the committee of course, and post all relevant background information for voting minus any personal identity factors, ie. name, sex, age. When people go to vote for the respective candidates they will be greeted with "candidate 1" and candidate one's background/cv/education etc and no personal identification.
Take the names and popularity out of the voting and leave the people actually competent to run the organization. Of course people will still put out their background information so voters know who they really are but this is the point of the project, to get people's background and abilities involved in the decision-making process.
August 28, 2012 at 6:44 PM
@19, you're directing hate at the wrong person. I actually do just sit in the back.
August 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM
And this is one of the many reasons I am SO glad I did not accept my AFM offer.
@17 youre totally correct. my mom is an accountant and she told me the same thing. accounting is a stable career, but if you dont perform well, a company can easily replace you.
August 29, 2012 at 6:59 PM
@19 are you sure that was meant for 16?
@16, 15 here. I probably sat with you in the back counting down the minutes before class was over. That is if you just finished 2B.
August 30, 2012 at 9:05 AM
@23.
Yeah pretty sure 19 typed "@16: You pretentious prick"
August 30, 2012 at 9:06 AM
^ oops delete that. Now I'm just spamming on OMGUW.
September 4, 2012 at 6:11 PM
@22 - so you're saying that a company can't/won't easily replace you, if you don't perform, if you're not in accounting?
September 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM
@26: That's like assuming this: "Since all apples are red, all other fruits are not red." He/she never said anything like that; sure the statement comes across as such if you perceive it a certain way (but that sort of perception isn't necessarily the best way to "read between the lines").
September 5, 2012 at 12:15 PM
27 here again...and yes, I realize that not all apples are red; the example was only to show the idea.