OMG:
Does every program have as many problems as AFM? Everyone actually talks so much shit about each other. Engineers are you like this? Science kids, how about you? AHS? Arts? Env? Anyone or are we just the extremely rude bunch? Please don't judge the whole group by a few ignorant people.
Does every program have as many problems as AFM? Everyone actually talks so much shit about each other. Engineers are you like this? Science kids, how about you? AHS? Arts? Env? Anyone or are we just the extremely rude bunch? Please don't judge the whole group by a few ignorant people.
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July 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM
No... it's not a few people. It's the majority. The sooner you realize the program pretty much attracts arrogant money lusting selfish pricks the sooner you'll be at peace with yourself. I was in AFM once, I know.
July 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM
AFM is in Arts....
July 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM
A lot of programs that involve team work are like this, especially when the programs consist of a small amount of students. Honestly, it sucks but you are not stuck with these people for the rest of your life. Just get to where you need to go by focusing on yourself. Make friends outside of the classroom too.
July 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Nope, just AFM. The rest of us talk shit about them and stop there.
July 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Engineers are pretty close knit.
July 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Engineers are sometimes near their level of shit.
July 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Agreed with #1
July 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM
The students in the program are constantly pissed off because they're paying premium fees each term while they could be paying less and getting a better quality of education at Western Ivey business school if they had the grades. They, unfortunately, do not.
July 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM
@8 You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Most AFM students (including nearly every PA student) have the grades to get into Western with AEO, and many did. It's not a walk in the park to keep an 80 and actually get into Ivey but it's not exactly difficult either, especially if you take some bird courses and do social sciences your first two years.
@1 Believe it or not, there are people in the program who aren't arrogant assholes. You're just looking at a small group of people who ruin things for the rest of people.
@2 There are a ton of programs within the Arts faculty. AFM students don't really come into contact with them very often as most of our courses are AFM-listed courses that only SAF students can take or they're courses with only SAF students in them. There's already the School of Accounting and Finance which kind of is like its own faculty. OP is looking for the opinion of other Arts students.
July 21, 2012 at 6:39 PM
Environment's cool
July 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM
^ 1 here... Read my comment again. "It's the MAJORITY" of people that are assholes, and a small percentage that are actually decent... you have it backwards..
July 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM
Ya Environment is pretty chill, I like almost everyone I meet in my program.
July 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM
@1/11 I don't think it's the majority. There's that small group of students who are exactly as you described in 1, and there's a few others who kind of associate with that group and are somewhat like them. The rest are pretty decent and genuinely nice people.
July 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM
I'm in AFM, and I notice that AFM students aren't the most welcoming bunch...I hope to find the few that are. (:
July 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM
let us not...start this again...
July 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM
Please don't embarrass yourselves by starting this again.
July 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Math students don't because we don't talk to anyone.
July 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM
I'm in AFM and I'm split on the program. On the one hand, I love the courses and the material. The professors are fantastic (far superior to the professors I've had from other parts of the school) and there are tons of resources to help you out.
On the other, I just don't like that many students here. All of them are too concerned with doing things for the sake of putting them on their resume. Based on my first year in the program, few people study until the night before an exam, and EVERYONE talks constantly throughout class. Everyone in STAT 211 should know what I'm talking about, as that was the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I haven't met anyone as cool as my friends from high school.
@8 You are right about the fees. They're beyond excessive. You are completely wrong about the marks. I had the marks for any accounting/business program in Canada, and I know plenty of others do too.
July 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM
@18
You basically said everything I wanted to say.
July 21, 2012 at 11:00 PM
the reason why AFM has bad rep...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uwafsa
skip to 1:04:05
fyi this is a general meeting between AFSA and the accounting faculty.
"I could not bring myself to work at firm X&Y because it undervalues my skill sets.. right? ok."
The comments made by the students "representing" AFM are disgustingly ignorant. I can see why so many people hate AFM.
July 21, 2012 at 11:06 PM
lol @ 20, afsa steals $50 from all afm students and can't even afford a better recording device.
July 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM
I'm in AFM and I only hang with a handful of ppl from my year. They're fairly nice and caring. While some AFM students can be self-righteous, like students from any other faculty, I don't think the rest of AFMs did anything harmful to piss other faculties off. What's up with the hate? The only thing worth hating is the "cost recovery program" tuition, right?
July 22, 2012 at 12:21 AM
I'm in engineering but have a friend in AFM. Apparently like half their tuition goes to subsidize other programs at UW? I told him he can pay my tuition as long as he wants. I love AFM students!
July 22, 2012 at 12:37 AM
You get arrogant people in most programs, some more than others. I'd say that, yeah, AFM might have a higher proportion, but it's certainly not the only one. Certain Math programs attract the worst kinds of stuck-up, self-righteous dbags (speaking as a Math student here).
July 22, 2012 at 12:39 AM
@20 Agreed with the point that the person making comments at 1:04:05 is a not great representation of the students in AFM
@21 I think they use the cam from a laptop to do a live stream?
July 22, 2012 at 12:46 AM
I'm only second year, but from what I've seen in engineering we're pretty close and friendly. Just kind of a constant circle jerk
July 22, 2012 at 2:45 AM
Yea ENV, and in particular Planning is pretty chill. I've never had any problems with anyone except for one guy who annoys the fuck out of me and everyone else.
Other than that, I don't think, in my 4 years in ENV, that I've ever talked about drama pertaining to my program.
ON THE OTHER HAND...AFM is pretty bad, drama wise. I've got a few friends in the program, and I just don't understand why everyone there's so much drama. Maybe they all need to head over the ENV ppl and smoke a fat one??
July 22, 2012 at 2:53 AM
OP, what's your intention for posting this?
July 22, 2012 at 10:39 AM
So all the bitching on the last post, with over 294 comments, was not enough? We get it already, no need to beat a dead horse, the horse was already trampled ever since the structure of AFM was enacted.
July 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM
In my experience, Science students are really friendly to one another.
July 22, 2012 at 5:09 PM
AH so the mathies are excluded from this discussion.
Math isn't like this. We're quite a friendly group but we're also competitive.
July 22, 2012 at 5:29 PM
AFM students are also partially retarded --- @ asian at 1:05:25.
July 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM
@32 That's not an AFM student.
July 22, 2012 at 8:08 PM
@33 - doesn't really dismiss my point. the preceding speaking students also showed evidence of retardation. perhaps their retardation is contagious.
July 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM
@20...thank you for linking that.
Sums this all up perfectly!
July 23, 2012 at 1:25 AM
agree with 1. accounting as a profession is completely based on money lusting selfish people, so it only makes sense that people who go to school in order to be an accountant is a money lusting selfish person.
July 23, 2012 at 1:57 AM
just afm kids
July 23, 2012 at 3:51 AM
Double degrees are pretty arrogant.
July 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM
I'm in AFM. People are much friendlier on other parts of campus. Our program is full of selfish dicks who hang around in high school cliques and disrespect the professors.
July 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM
I have a lot of friends in AFM, and though I love them, I can see why people would despise them. They have a very narrow, self-centred worldview so that there's a self-serving agenda even behind their philanthropic activities. They have no intellectual curiosity beyond their program and they're often really ignorant about the world around them. This is especially true for PAs.
July 23, 2012 at 3:47 PM
@40
I'm in AFM and everything you said perfectly sums up the problems I have with people in this program... Everyone's so myopic with their career plans.
The lack of intellectual curiosity makes me especially sad. I feel like 3 years worth of AFM courses taught me nothing useful. Everything I enjoyed learning came from my electives.
July 23, 2012 at 7:16 PM
@36, you are confusing accounting with something else...accountants organize the information for the real money lusting monsters. The whole profession was created to help prevent money lusting monsters from ripping off investors. Why do you think we need standards for financial statements or audits?
@40, 41: although true, a few guys do study other things. Remember the people who took language electives or science electives?
July 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM
Not only are AFM students pieces of shit, you all love to TALK about what big pieces of shit you are. Please STFU all of you.
July 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM
@27 I'd love to smoke a fat one with you. AFM is a real headache and it's nice to mellow out and light up a joint on the weekends to forget about it.
@42 I'm doing my AOI in Econ and really enjoy it. I know it's not entirely original of me to choose Econ but I do feel there's a lot to be learned.
July 23, 2012 at 11:04 PM
@42 True, accountants are just the people who make businesses short sighted in order to maximize quarterly profits. And it's not like high salaries in the face of ridiculous hours doing the most dull kind of math only attracts money lusting people, right?
July 24, 2012 at 3:39 AM
I'm in AFM. While I agree that my program is filled with drama, I really don't appreciate you people pointing fingers at my profession. I work just as hard to get a god job and not everyone is attracted to it for the money. Maybe some people are just attracted to the profession because they like it.
All you other programs, kindly get over yourselves.
July 24, 2012 at 10:16 AM
@45
Please review what an accountant does.
"high salaries in the face of ridiculous hours"
HAHA you mean low salaries.
"most dull kind of math"
The accountants with high salaries don't need to do any math.
July 24, 2012 at 2:07 PM
If you go to UW for business you're a fucking idiot.
July 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM
OP, seems to me that you are probably in AFM and having some problems with rude bastards. Honestly, from what I understand it is just a highly competitive program. Competition can certainly bring out the worst in people, but if you have the morale to be patient, deal with others, and just be respectful during your time in AFM, you'll be just fine.
For the record, let's just remember that every business in the world needs an accountant.
July 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM
" Everyone actually talks so much shit about each other."
"Please don't judge the whole group by a few ignorant people."
PICK ONE, BRO.
July 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM
I have a massive penis
come at me ladies.
-AFMer
July 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM
48, actually from what I hear/know, Waterloo is probably THE place to go in Canada if you want to pursue accounting. They also do get compensated pretty well if they get professionally designated.
I'm in engineering and I know this.
July 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM
^ Yup. This is true.
July 24, 2012 at 7:14 PM
@36 Who made you in charge of deciding what people can and can't like?
I like accounting and finance and enjoy what I study. But I couldn't sit through most of the math classes at UW, nor could I stand to listen to an English prof blather on about Shakespeare or poetry. Yet some people find mathematics interesting and other people love Shakespeare and poetry.
The reasons I am choosing to go into accounting have little to do with the money. I did want to choose a career path that would lead to a fairly stable job that I could easily support myself with, but I am not just money-lusting.
There's plenty of people in engineering or health sciences who are equally (or more) money-lusting than accounting students, yet they always get a free pass.
@40 I am in PA and have a good number of friends in PA (as well as FM) and I can tell you that most of these friends of mine are not like what you described. I know the kind of people you're talking about, but please stop talking like everyone in the program is one and the same. We're not.
July 25, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Hey Tiffany Ng,
Offer is still open for the Starbucks date!
Kindly
Dr Manhattan
July 25, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Hey dr manhattan! Is that manhattan the blue guy from watchmen ?
July 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Yes it is! But I would really like to go on Starbucks date with Tiffany in 2A
Dr manhattah
July 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM
^ shes in 2B dumbass.
July 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM
^Hey, I know she is in 2B. I am saying i will ask her when I will be on Campus this fall in my
2A term.
Kindly
Dr Mahattan aka Jon Osterman
July 26, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Alysa Lueng is right. Secret admirer right here. So offer is still open Tiffany! Hopefully you are single :/
Kindly
Dr. Manhattan
July 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM
AHS is the worst. They're just a bunch of jock assholes who should be shot in the face and burn in hell.
July 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM
@61 That's terrible. I think AHS is really chill and laid back; definitely a lot of friendly people.
July 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM
4 years of AFM has only taught me that everyone in the programs thinks they're better and smarter than everyone else (especially if they work at one of the big 4). THe majority of people in this program are cliquey, selfish, arrogant and stuck up.
July 30, 2012 at 12:28 AM
@ 54: The only reason you think most of the PAs aren't stuck up is because a) you're friends with them so obviously they're going to be nice towards you b) you're a PA as well. Else fact remains PAs are probably one of the most stuck up lot in the entire university.
July 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM
^ They're not all stuck up but a few are. Just like in every. Damn. Program.
September 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM
I'm a first year currently in Math/CA (Chartered Accountancy), but I'm friends with a lot of AFM's (PA and FM alike). Reading this thread was pretty shocking to me, since the people I've met at orientation are all extremely friendly. I know for sure that the people in my program are not at all competitive and elitist like everyone seem to be implying - we procrastinate, socialize, and have fun like anyone else. Should I expect this all to change once we start looking for co-op jobs next year? Because right now I really can't see ANY truth whatsoever in all the complaints here.