It's fine to joke about penises. The poster about the one-eyed purple monster. That was so clever. It probably took a whole second to come up with. I don't doubt at all that some people laughed at it.
And it is fine, and it is kind of funny.
But the grape joke isn't.
I sometimes wonder if people can tell the difference between dick jokes and rape jokes.
The thing that sets the one-eyed monster poster apart from the grape poster is that one just jokes about cocks and the other jokes about rape.
I think the people that came up with it probably didn't even know there was a difference, and I think that's a serious problem. Because there is a difference between a dick, and using a dick to seriously assault someone, steal their dignity, and scar them with sexual trauma.
I think this article sums it up pretty well. It's a very good reply from comedian Curtis Luciani regarding Daniel Tosh's recent gang-rape "joke".
@14: I'm not #10, but that's sort of irrelevant. If death is worse than rape (and I believe it is), and #14 ends up with solid arguments for why rape jokes are wrong, then at worst it would mean that he was wrong to find death jokes funny (assuming he does find some death jokes funny). It doesn't affect his current points at all.
I guess that's unless you want him to prove that death jokes are/are not reasonable, and work up from there, but that is going the long way, it probably takes more effort.
Heres the thing. It doesn't matter one fucking bit if some people are offended. Freedom of speech is protected under law, so it comes down to audiences. If an audience finds a comedians subject matter funny, and will pay for it, the comedian can keep making those types of jokes. If he can't sell tickets to his shows because he crossed the line too far, or that people find his jokes too inappropriate to be funny, then he has to change his material or stop performing. Cry all you want about it, but a large portion of the population is not offended by jokes about sensitive subject matter, and the beauty of the capitalist system is every dollar spent is a vote.
@14, did you read the article of that comedian's response about Daniel Tosh's rape joke incident? I always laugh at funny rape jokes but I agree with him- you should read the article if you haven't because it also touches on why people don't get hurt by genocide jokes (which seems kind of obvious by the way)... I don't understand why he had to make us imagine a world where guys get their dicks cut off all the time though- what did that add to his argument?
@16 I appreciate what you have to say, but that doesn't really address EngSoc and how it implicitly supported a rape joke by allowing the grape poster to be put up in CPH.
Sure, individuals have freedom of speech, but EngSoc is not an individual. It's a society, and as such does it not have an obligation to be a bit more neutral (for lack of a better word)?
The argument you make in regards to the original post also seems to completely lack any consideration of the situation regarding the grape poster. CPH is not a comedy club and the people who see the poster while walking through its halls didn’t pay to listen to a comedian make crude jokes. CPH is part of a university, the people who walked through the halls and saw the poster were, well, I don’t know why any given person is in CPH, but it’s not to listen to a comedian make crude jokes.
You’re argument is that it’s the audience’s reaction which makes the content acceptable or not fails when it’s applied to a public space as opposed to a private gathering. People choose to go to a comedy club and generally bring with them expectations on the jokes the comedian will make, but no one chooses to be confronted by the grape poster while walking through the halls of their university.
In general, your augment is fine, it’s pretty run of the mill when it comes to people defending crude humour, but it just doesn’t apply to this situation.
I think everyone should listen to the episode of the Throwing Shade podcast that discusses the Daniel Tosh incident. In it, the hosts (one being a feminist and the other a gay man, both comedians) discuss how a rape joke is acceptable, if the joke itself isn't rape. What this means is that a joke like "I feel bad when I'm walking home at night because every women I walk by thinks I'm going to rape them, but what they don't know is that I think they're going to kidnap me" is different from a joke where the "humour" is someone getting raped, or the word rape, or the concept of rape.
Also as @20 said, a university group, building, club, etc. really has no excuse for causing a rape joke controversy.
@14: Dick-cutting off is a poor metaphor, a much better metaphor would be ass-rape, same level of permanent physical damage (usually minimal), and also makes more sense with shame and not reporting it (I'm sure most guys wouldn't want to tell anyone about a girl raping them with a strap-on).
And let's look at the 1/5 rape statistic. This is a load of shit, it's more that 1/5 women get "raped". It has nothing to do with "asking for it" (for fuck's sake, one person said this and now feminists just surge to it as if everyone on the planet thinks this about rape), the source of this statistic is women who have very liberal definitions about being raped. They get completely drunk, are resistant to having sex with someone but don't explicitly refuse, and get coaxed into having sex. Drunkenness is irrelevant; much like you're responsible for getting in a car accident while drunk driving, you're responsible for all of your actions after you choose to consume alcohol. Reluctantly agreeing to something is exactly the same as agreeing; unless the person dragged you out of the club, into their car, and to their rape dungeon.
And then there's the other situation of them getting you into their house and raping you. While I'm not justifying it in anyway, it's definitely rape and completely wrong, when you go into someone's house late at night, from the club, bar, or somewhere similar, it's implied that you're going to have sex. Choosing to go to someone else's house in this situation when you don't want sex is a poor decision.
A man walks into a whore-house with only two dollars. The head mistress tells him that they have a dead hooker upstairs. So he goes upstairs and after a while comes back down, head mistress says "Everything went well?" The guy says "Yeah everything is fine, only problem was that her runny nose." Head mistress then says "oh, she must be full again."
LOL while we are being extremely stereotypical lets throw in black people, gosh I hate those chicken loving, car jacking, gang banging niggers! what about the chinks! those convenience store opening, cat eating, math nerd chinks! lets step away from races, how about them artsies? those fucking dumb waste of a degree, starbucks barista simpletons! wait wait, what about the muslims, those dirty bomb-packing kill in the name of allah sand niggers! The Jews oh those guys, dirty money loving media controlling big nose kikes! and who could forget the christians! those little boy molesting priests and the donation taking pedophiles! not to mention the idiot followers who still think a magical weed smoking homosexual (jesus) rose from the dead!
Good morning all, just thought I'd leave my two cents (as a "fucked up nerd with [a] shit haircut and rubbish clothes. Smell like rancid shit too"... did it occur to anyone that this might not be a joke about rape at all?
:O OMG! perhaps... just perhaps.... the point of the poster was to get as many people out as possible to the CPH foyer the next morning to see the new EngSoc president completely dyed in purple...
So in conclusion: 1) Rape is not funny 2) Stop assuming everything you see is offensive... urban dictionary can only go so far.
@30, I think you have missed the point. Did you consider that there might have been no joke involved, and it was simply referring to the presence of that purple person? Just because it didn't say 'there will be a purple person here tomorrow', doesn't mean it was meant to offend.
Also, it should be noted that they weren't approved by the Engineering Society (no stamp on them), so to use them as a representation of our student body would be an unfortunate inaccuracy.
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