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TW: AFM Complaints

I recently view the AFSA General Meeting where students were able to voice their concerns to senior faculty members. The biggest issue was the divide within the program and how incoming student's aren't informed about the program and never will be. Never have I seen such a level of disrespect in one room. We are all adults, if you don't act like one the faculty will not take your issues seriously. This is divide is more so on the heads of the students rather than the faculty. Incoming AFMs have to be the most stuck up kids I have ever seen. They boast about their highschool marks, brag about their scholarships, and are expecting too much. If I had known what AFM would be like 3 yrs ago I wouldn't have even applied for this program. It's not a good program with a lot of selfish people.

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  1. It's an ongoing cultural problem with multiple causes. All you can hope for is that you don't get sucked in to it and be proud that you emerge better than your peers.

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  2. That is the problem when you look at the students based on marks rather than skill. High school grading is very arbitrary. Along with the incentive of "take this program and you will make a lot of money upon graduation" will not bring the best of the best, more like the greediest of the group. Unfortunately I believe this culture is being encouraged within Waterloo, not just for the AFM, this is why I chose to leave.

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  3. I am AFM, and I sincerely disassociate myself from stuck-upness associated with the program. Not all of us are assholes. The jerks who are stuckup, they can do the grunt audit work til 11pm on their co-op, and stick it up somewhere.

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  4. ^agreed completely! I'm also in AFM and I hate these arrogant kids in this program. I also just choose to not associate myself with them

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  5. AFM is an idiotic program.

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  6. Whole heartedly agree with 2 and 5.

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  7. AFM isn't that bad. I've met a lot of great people.

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  8. I'm not in AFM, so can someone clarify what is meant by this?

    "...incoming student's aren't informed about the program and never will be."

    What do they feel that they weren't informed about?

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  9. 8: AFM is divided in 2 streams and one is the stuck up Public Accounting folks and the second one is Financial Managmement essentially bunch of Investment Banking (IB) hopefuls that have no clue that there are better programs to prepare them for IB as well as ones that offer actual placements in the IB industry. Incoming students have absolutely no idea about this divide/atmosphere in the program. Am I correct OP?

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  10. I agree that the AFM has many boastful and arrogant students, but doesn't every program? However, it is more apparent in AFM because the students are told from the get go that they are 'the cream of the crop' and that if they're here then they're already really impressive. At the end of the day, I personally believe AFM is a watered down reflection of how society behaves. My friends (in other programs) tell me that I am really different from the other AFM students, which would explain why I have so little AFM friends.

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  11. Though some of them are very good friends of mine, AFMers in general are some of the most stuck up kids I've ever met, and I'm in Engineering. It feels like a bizarre cult when you're around a group of them, they don't really talk to anyone else.

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  12. My experience thus far with AFM was a bunch of them whining about how MathSoc wouldn't give them money. They are in a different faculty and charge their own society fees already, and wanted money for the couple hundred math majors they took classes with.

    Most entitled group of brats I've encountered on campus. No one owes you anything, whether or not you think otherwise...

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  13. 10, I agree with you 100%. It is really a reflection of the how society (the corporate world in particular) behaves. I know people from other business programs (i.e. Queens) complain about the same thing with regards to their culture. It's actually an ongoing problem with many of the accounting/finance/business programs. Before anything changes, the Wall-Street hugging, people using, sociopathic mentality of business people in general needs to change.

    There exists an air of elitism in AFM - particular within the PA circle. The more exclusive the # of spots, the more entitled students feel. With over 1000 people writing the AFMAA and only 80ish PA students, they are some of the smartest, most calculating AND most arrogant people I have ever met in my entire life. Same goes for some FM students.



    Sincerely, an AFM student.

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  14. @8 Actually, most people in FM want to work at the Big 4 just like the PA students, but they have a much lower chance since they're not in PA. Then some of them find out about investment banking and think they can get a job. There are a few who came into the program wanting ib/s&t jobs and didn't realize that the program doesn't get very strong recruitment in these areas, but that's a small portion of the class.

    And not every PA student is stuck-up. The program is very cult-like in a way and a very large portion of PA students are part of this, but it's not as if every PA kid is like that.

    The funniest part is when AFSA advertises their events to "everyone" when in reality they're just advertising most of them to themselves and their small little circle.

    @ 10 and 13

    Agreed.

    Sincerely, an AFM-PA student

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  15. In my honest opinion, it seems like a lot of the people who are in AFM that complain are ones who did not start hating/complaining until co-op came around and they were unable to find jobs.

    There is this kind of resentment against PAs from FMs. I see it everywhere.

    Honestly, as individuals a large number of people in AFM are quite opposite of assholes. Don't be so quick to judge.

    - AFM-FM student

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  16. as far as every stereotype in existence goes, it is always formed from the impression made of only a few of a certain group.

    I'm in AFM and I certainly acknowledge a large group of people who are self-righteous stuck up snobs but i've noticed the lack of correlation to having a big 4 job (like usually described to as)! there are plenty of douches in shitty jobs/good jobs...
    Also I have met some of the nicest people in both PA and FM streams at AFM. There are always good and bad in everything, most certainly such a small-sized student group. There are bound to be cliques and differences in social-engagement of each groups.

    And to the finance employment dilemma, as pre-university student you should have known what you were getting into. No person in the society gets compensated for damages due to lack of research. It is expected for individuals to take care of themselves. It'd be hard to believe the reason you chose AFM (FM/PA regardless) is anything other than because of the CATO exemption. Everyone knows going into AFM isn't for finance. And if you seriously chose AFM for finance you only have yourselves to blame for not doing sufficient prior research to see that the emphasis of AFM is on the A.

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  17. If I could do it again, I probably wouldn't choose AFM-PA...but I do feel like AFM's reputation isn't really deserved, there's some good people that make it bearable.

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  18. @16,

    "It'd be hard to believe the reason you chose AFM (FM/PA regardless) is anything other than because of the CATO exemption."

    So you believe AFM should only be for PA kids and all the rest should transfer out. Who cares about AFM's specialization for CFA exams and CMA exemptions. Really, only CA offers enough bang for the buck. Then again, there's plenty other choices for that reason alone:
    http://www.icao.on.ca/Public/ICAOFundinginAccountingInOntario/1014page4565.aspx

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  19. @18

    AFM only makes sense under the following circumstances: 1) money isn't too big a concern, you are interested in public accounting and you get into PA, and at least somewhat like the other benefits of the program/school, or 2) money isn't too big a concern, you are interested in combining accounting and finance, you like the other benefits of the program and you like the school.

    Otherwise, AFM's tuition just isn't worth it. Why not go down to Laurier and pay 1/2-1/3 the tuition and get better recruiting for finance? Or you could pay more (still less than AFM) and go to Ivey/Queen's and get far, far better recruiting for finance.

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  20. hontesly i didnt know about finance b4 coming to university. CA & public accounting are the only well publicized & marketed things. Once i learned abt it, i am much more into it

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  21. Coming to this accounting program was one of the worst decisions of my life. Sadly, since I'm here now, I have to make the best of it, and get out with my self-respect intact. Good for you for recognizing this. I've been hoping to find more people like you in the program, but it's difficult as the vast majority of "popular" people are slightly massive douchebags...I wish you peace, and hope this period goes well for you. And I'm not just saying that; I sincerely mean it :).

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  22. ^Who are you talking to? OP?

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  23. @22 What year are you in?

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  24. 22 here. 3B...going into 4A this upcoming fall.

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  25. It honestly seems most of the time when people are talking about douchebag AFMs, they are the ones who are in 3B atm. I'm currently a first year AFM student on my summer break, but that year definitely has some pretty clear douchebags.

    For example: Q, J, V

    If you are in AFM, you'll know who I'm talking about.

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  26. IMO AFM'ers just have a lot of sexual tension 4 each other that just never gets relived. And so unfortunately it causes this mess LOL

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  27. @27 I think I know who you're talking about, but there are a couple people who could fit those descriptions.

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  28. @OP You make it sound as if every incoming AFM student is a stuck-up, boastful, entitled prick with an inflated ego. I came into the program with pretty good marks, some scholarships, good work experience, etc. and didn't go around telling everyone. There's other people I know who are the exact same- they could care less what happened in high school they're just here trying their best to stay competitive. Unfortunately there's a pretty good-sized portion of students that are exactly as you described, and they are the model students for the program, hence the poor reputation spoken of on this thread. In first year I remember people saying shit like "I had a 98 in English, I would know better than you so shut up and listen to me" while working on group projects. Yes, that's wonderful but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about so stop being an asshat. It's pathetic. There's a few groups of students in AFM: the douchebags that are part of the cult, some slight douchebags and a few genuinely decent people in the cult, some slight douchebags and genuinely nice people who have their own little groups but associate with the cult, people who don't really care about school and prefer fun and absolutely despise the people in the cult, and people who don't really fit into one of those categories because they're not douchebags and they try and stay away from the cult but they still care about school and jobs. I thought I would have found all of the last group I described but apparently there's more than I thought... just don't know where they're hiding.

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  29. Greetings,

    You probably think AFM students are the most stuck up kids because they tend to be loud and outgoing. As a result, they stick out more, compared to the students who don't need to brag about the ECs and marks.

    I would also like to mention that at every AFSA General Meeting, the faculty likes to dodge almost ALL questions. They go around the answer. Students are fed up.

    Sincerely,
    AFM Student (who the hell cares what stream you are in)

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  30. Don't blame the students for the culture, blame the school. If you read the UW's 2010 Senate Report on SAF ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/95378803/2010-SAF-UW-Senate-Report ), you can see that the PA entrance cutoff is about 92 but the FM cutoff is in the "low 80s." (see the bottom of page 2 )

    Basically, SAF wanted to increase the number of students, but there's a limited number of CA jobs, so they created a new "finance" stream that doesn't have access to those jobs and let in kids with 10% lower high school averages. How could that now create a tiered system?

    So entering FMs think that they're applying to a top program (which it is for accounting), but in reality it's a mediocre finance program for people who didn't get into Queen's, Ivey, etc.

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  31. @32 That makes sense- except that most FM students (in first year anyways) want Big 4/public accounting jobs just like PA students. And also, the average is high 80s for FM. So many of the students could have gotten into QC, Western/Ivey, Schulich, Laurier etc and had better opportunities plus pay half the cost.

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  32. I'm in AFM as well. The program is way too cliquey. I don't like to associate with people from AFM as they tend to be arrogant.

    I feel as though I was misinformed about the program. I applied directly to the FM stream (not a "PA reject") because I wasn't sure if pursuing my CA was the right choice for me (as the info they provide is super-focused on pay and not so much on what the people do), but still wanted the option of getting the credits if I changed my mind. In this case I'd choose my specialization in public accounting and get my experience after school.

    I do think the content is good and the professors are excellent but the atmosphere of the program is toxic (AFSA amplifies this). The students are way too immature compared to those in my other classes (i.e. talking way too much during lectures).

    2B AFM student

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  33. @31 I'm guessing you're part of the clique?

    @34 Completely agree

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  34. I'm in AFM too, every single one of my friends got a big 4 job and I barely scrap by. AFSA itself is the problem. All the little poster boys and girls are running the show.

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  35. @35, 34 here. I'm glad someone else feel the same way.

    It's not even that competition bugs me (it's natural) or even cut-throat competition. Most of them are just immature and difficult to talk to.

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  36. @37 (35 here) I only thought it was a small few who thought the same way, but this thread seems to prove there's a few more than I had figured.

    And that's exactly it. Plus most of them are too ignorant to realize it.

    Also, your point about PA vs FM and being misinformed: agreed. I always want to scream at the people applying to the program- just apply to PA!!! You can do everything you can do in FM in PA (save working internationally, I believe) but not so much the other way around.

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  37. @35, 31 here
    I am not part of the clique. I do not understand your basis on saying I am part of it. One cannot judge a person based on their internet post.

    If you have a problem with the 'stuck up' kids, avoid them. But I guess when you're stuck with them in a group project... life sucks.

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  38. I think y'all need to take a chill pill and watch this video for goodness sakes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpYgpF1bqQ

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  39. who exactly do you consider to be in the clique? Also, arrogance is relative - compared to students who sit in their rooms and don't socialize with others in the program, then yes, a good of the students in the program are arrogant.

    Don't get me wrong. I agree with you that arrogance is an issue (and so is AFSA) but go out and do something about it. Don't sit here and complain.

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  40. @39/31 - 35 here.

    It seemed like you were defending them. I was asking in case you were part of the clique to maybe see what your response was. But I guess you're not and you're right I can't really judge you based on a post. Also you brought up an unrelated point (although an important one) which kind of made it seem like you were drawing attention away from the topic at hand. Anyways, not important at this point.

    I do my best to avoid them, but it does kind of suck because 1) they're part of our classes, 2) they run AFSA for the most part, 3) there's some nice people who are friends with people in the clique, so you almost lose them too if you try and avoid the arrogant d-bags, and last as you pointed out it really sucks if they're in your groups.

    @ 41 - If you're in the program it's pretty obvious. 30 broke down the groups pretty well I think.

    I don't really get this whole "arrogance is relative." Arrogant douche is arrogant douche.

    What is one supposed to do? Go up to every arrogant douche and tell them that they are assholes? I get by, like my classes, and have done just fine so far with jobs. I just wish the program wasn't so full of cliquey, arrogant d-bags and felt like saying so here.

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  41. @30: didn't know i was walking around the new HH hallways with possible 'cult' members...by cult do you mean AFSA or this group of people in the program you refer to as a clique? : /

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  42. that guy in your tax classJuly 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Im in 3B AFM - PA specialization, and probably one of only a couple PAs who does not fit the stereotype. I think that the problem here is nobody is willing to actually stand up and voice their complaints to SAF itself, to actually call people out on their douchebaggedness, and to do something about the cycnicism. AFSA general meetings... if people actually came (and not just J.)voiced their opinions then administration might actually feel a chill from their high chair.

    On the comment regarding sexual tension - so very true. AFM is riddled with social awkward, inept individuals who are in no way prepared for the real world in terms of understanding social dynamics.

    In response to the original post. I agree that students are in no way prepared for the social landscape of SAF. Backstabbing and badmouthing are a commonplace. How many of us are actually truthful and honest when we make pointless banter with other elitist wannabes in the lounge. The environment is hostile, people are judged.

    When I first entered AFM, I was innocent to the culture entirely, not being from a large city such as Toronto or Sauga. I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of cliques and hierarchies which existed. When I talk to my non AFM friends, many of them are familiar with these facts as well.

    In addition:
    I will say thing again, and although these remarks are old and met with disdain, these AFM prudes continue to spew them out. STOP. I beg of you, before somebody finally loses it and goes Virginia Tech.

    "OMG I failed that so hard"
    - no you didnt. so shut up about it. If you did, you wouldn't have the courage to admit it and would probably meekly go home to mourn"

    "I havnt started studying for finals, I'm screwed"
    - you started back in Week 1, and had notes prepared by Week 3, and finished all the practice problems by Week 6. If by studying you mean memorizing the index, then I'll give you that - you probably havn't started studying.

    "I want to switch out of AFM"
    - We're all in the same boat and you're not about to get any sympathy from your fellow cellmates. If you havn't switched out of AFM, then you're not going to.

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  43. I completely agree with all the points raised over here.

    AFM people are complete arrogant douchebags who live, breathe and eat to get a high 90's mark and judge people on the sole criteria of how well they are performing in their classes.

    The PA's think way too highly about themselves and the level of competition is so high that it makes the classroom atmosphere toxic. Only a handful of people are your genuine well-wishers. The rest are just out to perform better than you and look down on you.

    @ the person who said that current 3B AFMs are especially known for being arrogant *ssholes I completely agree.

    "I don't know about you guys but I'm in PA and my exam schedule is hard"
    Please give me a break. I'm in the same program as you. You don't know what stream I'm in. So stop telling me how intelligent and elitist you are by being a PA and stop making the FMs sound like idiots. They are not idiots. They just don't wear their marks on their foreheads, they don't brag about their jobs, just because they party occasionally does not make them a "waste of life" and if they aren't coming to classes its because of the over-competitive, judgemental atmosphere.

    - An AFM student

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  44. Wow, wtf is up with all this hatred on this post...This isn't a problem with AFM; it's with any business-related program tied w human nature...Think about it, you are creating your personal brand, promoting it, all in search of how you can apply it to your dream career. Best thing to do is "talking-the-talk" on the DL, staying in your own lane (don't pay attention to what others say, only observe what they do), and letting ur actions do the proving. With that said, there's great, great people in AFM, many of whom have the same dreams that you. If you can't handle what comes with a competitive culture, then don't bother trying.

    "Don't hate the player(s), hate the game" :P

    DIB

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  45. Totally agree with above. Although guys, you should've known this place sucks for finance. We used to be the school of accountancy lol. IF you goal wasn't a CA you're a total idiot for coming here. Or you didn't get into PA.

    But I think its freakin annoying how much of a high school this place it. I know I get so much because I succeeded in this program and I did it my way.

    Yes, I hook up with girls, drink regularly and no, I don't want to play fucking Starcraft or board games on a Friday night, I'd rather go clubbing. So sadly, I don't fit into this program.

    People think that if you do any of those things that you're a bad person and immediately judge you and spread shit. But I still got a 90 average and a Big 4 job, so AFM nerds can blow me. I realized this in 3A and immediately moved away from SAF people.

    Thank god for Laurier

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  46. @47 Holy shit! You hook up with girls? You go clubbing? You must be a huge bad ass.

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  47. @48, don't be a prick.

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  48. ^LOOOOOL @ 48. 47, lemme get a gold star for transcending AFM and it's apparent lack of coolness.

    "AFM nerds can blow me"... yeah, and I'm sure all the guys you get at these clubs fellate you very well too.

    On another note tho, I think OP is kinda dumb for questioning the respect we show faculty when at EACH GENERAL MEETING we get the same generic, vague, and ambiguous answers about our program. Progress isn't being made in many areas that the faculty claimed to be making progress on. We keep getting the SAME answers as to why our tuition is so high, and no explanation as to why the co-op unemployment rates are astronomically high this year for 2B and 3B FMs.

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  49. ^ Like

    48, you must be one of the 2B brown girls who don't shut the fuck up in SAF study lounge.

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  50. While I agree with the generalizations that were made, you can only make them based on the most "socially active" students, and by socially active, I mean those who strive to be a part of the accounting clubs. Whether it was ASA, ASEC, AFSA, ACE, these are the people that represent the SAF community.

    Each SAF year is roughly, what, 300-400 people give or take [include AFMs, Math/CAs, Biotechs, and CFMs]. When you describe SAF as a place full of douchebags, how many people can you think of out of that total. I'd say at best, 50-60 per year. And whoever made that post about the rest of the students who "hide in their rooms", I get the feeling you're basing that solely on the activity of those accounting clubs. There are quite literally dozens of clubs around campus that I have seen students of SAF be a part of, which much success. Just because they don't want to be BoD or an exec of AFSA doesn't mean they're anti-social. Maybe if you weren't paying attention to all the cliques, you could actually meet some of the other students who feel the exact same way.

    The idea that some students are disrespectful toward the staff and professors? Yeah, I can see that. Perhaps it's because AFMs are so isolated in comparison to other programs since our courses are so structured, we see the same people every term. The odd elective doesn't necessarily make a difference when a lot of us had to do the AOI and would take courses with our friends. I always get the feeling that some people underestimate the difficulty of other programs since we often find ourselves staying up hours on end to finish an assignment that's worth maybe 15% of our grade. You know what, tough luck. We're not the ones with 30 hours of class every week, and we don't face the troubles of taking labs on top of our courses (which also means more finals - save for some Biotechs). And I recall one scenario where a group of students had the audacity to spread a message across Facebook regarding one particular teacher's "incompetence" iirc, ultimately leading to that professor to break down in tears. I'm sorry (not really), but there are terrible professors in every program. At least we're lucky enough to be able to understand our accounting professors for the most part (poor math kids). Just because you didn't get the 80+ you were expecting, doesn't mean you automatically blame the professor. If the class average is a 60, maybe you should consider that while the professor may have made the test difficult, it's also your fault for not preparing for it properly. To use a cliche term, if I had a dollar for every time I saw a "omg just started studying for the midterm" status on Facebook, well, I wouldn't even need to worry about paying for tuition.

    tl;dr
    A chunk of AFMs are elitist douchebags. We're not that special. Sorry, not sorry. Stop paying attention to the cliques, and maybe you'll find that chunk of students that share the same feelings as you.

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  51. None of this "Anonymous" shit tbh... to the person that called out the 2B brown girls....

    1) Those same girls probably don't give a fuck about who you are
    2) They're probably doing better than you in school at present
    3) They don't spend their time calling people out from the comfort of their keyboard and with the internet as a shield
    4) If you have a problem you can get the fuck at me. I'm in the SAF lounge most days and I don't mind meeting face to face rather than hiding behind the internet

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  52. @51 lol. this entire thread is about people like you, so i would respectfully stfu if i were you. peace.

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  53. @ 52...

    tl;dr bro

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  54. Aren't we around two weeks away from exams? Shouldn't we be studying? Cause I'm shitting my pants right now ...

    So, let's be good and study :)

    Need a study buddy? I, too, am in SAF lounge, sitting across David Nyambi and one of the four 2B annoying brown girls.

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  55. @55 It's all good. In my fit of pent-up annoyance, I made some terrible grammatical errors. Probably better that way.

    gg no re.

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  56. OP here. I honestly didn't mean for so many people to be offended, but I am glad people are talking about issues. Now can we please talk to the faculty and treat each other with more respect. Help each other out and be a friend, not a competitive douche.
    PS. Its called a "Lounge" for a reason, if you want to study go into silent study. Don't hate on people being social.

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  57. *Obligatory Deloitte cockiness post*

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  58. Hey Everyone. I've skimmed through a bunch of the comments and it seems that a lot of people feel like AFSA has perpetuated some of the issues at our school. AFSA is definitely down for some feedback, so I encourage you to voice your concerns on our website: http://www.uwafsa.ca/?page_id=557

    If you're not up for that, I'd love to sit down and chat about how we can serve you better. Fire me an email at t.kwok@uwafsa.ca and we can set something up.

    Cheers,

    Terrance

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  59. David, here again.

    RE: OP
    Dude, you've basically started a thread that you've had a lot of trouble keeping on track. The topic has been deviated from what you were originally talking about (and what the fuck would you expect with a thread that bashes anyone in AFM?)

    I'd be interested to know how much you know about the faculty and their complete lack of depth and/or knowledge when it comes to answering questions at AFSA GMs. So much of what they say is filled with ambiguity.

    Example: A girl that attended the meeting this spring term asked the faculty how they could explain a 54% unemployment rate for 2B FMs and why she (who works her ass off in just about any regard to get a job) is getting minimum-wage job postings.

    You know what the eloquent fucking answer was by the member of faculty?...

    "We don't have a crystal ball for you"

    ^That's the kind of response that would obviously garner a lack of respect for faculty. If you don't understand why emotions were flying in that last GM then I question your intelligence.

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  60. ^ I am down to take charge and organize a pub crawl in the Fall! Just not through AFSA...

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  61. TERRANCE KWOK U CANNOT TELL ME WHAT TO THINK! YOU ARE A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE AFSA PROPAGANDA MACHINE.


    OCCUPY SAF

    what we want:
    -zero unemployment
    -faculty respect
    -FM equality

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  62. I have a crush on Jinesh.

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  63. Hey! I heard these guys are hiring, you should definitely check em out, best place ever! :D

    http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_CA/ca/index.htm

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  64. On another note....

    That Brittany Murphy girl in 3B would get the dick.

    Dat ass doe.

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  65. .....that was not me smh

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  66. Dem 2B brown girls are kinda cute too

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  67. Why can't we all just get along like we did in middle school, and paint pictures of rainbows and butterflies . And just be happy.

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  68. @65...get in line.

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  69. Jinesh I wanna sleep with you. My plan is to sleep with one guy from each Big 4 firm, starting with you, since Deloitte is sooooo awesoommmeee ;)

    Call me maybe <3

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  70. it's all about that 2nd year pussy, us 3rd years got shaaaaafteeeed

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  71. Wow, the trolls have come in and ruined the conversation. Like usual.

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  72. Those random cute 3B Asian girls who I don't know >>>>

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  73. All you anonymous posters, name or gtfo ffs...lol

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  74. fucking accounting nerds. theyre worse than engineers.

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  75. I just wish people were friendlier. They really aren't. They're always acting like they're better than you when I try to talk to someone in class :/

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  76. @ 79 u never talk to me in class...no one does ):

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  77. Ok Ok back to the topic of covnersation

    2011-2012 AFSA was run by some of the biggest faggots there. All of them were introverted, socially awkward douchebags. Nitish I'm looking at you. Dude never once admitted he was in charge of the worst year AFSA has ever had. And don't tell me ICE or hEDGE, that was all Varun and Jonah.

    Ming is probably the biggest gong show and worst internal events person ever, typical quiet nerdy asian, Rob Lee please come back.

    Simply put, AFSA is the worst run student organization compared to Schulich, Ivey etc. and I hope that this year's people are more outgoing and actually will accept criticism rather than shutting it out and thinking everything is alright

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  78. Come call me a faggot to my face.

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  79. ^ Shit just got real son!

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  80. LOL @ this dude calling people faggots without putting his name in the comment.

    Straight up, we've got some straight up cotton-balls commenting and dissing people anonymously. Softer than a pack of Huggies.

    If you think AFSA is so bad, why don't you run it? Have you made efforts to make your voice heard to AFSA, or are you one of those constant arm-chair donkeys that say "OMG I HATE AFSA" like it's a motto?

    Crawl back into your Snuggie or use your name if you're gonna criticize AFSA and call out people like Ming like that.

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  81. @82 If you're going to call people out like that at least have enough respect to put your own name....

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  82. That shit cray.

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  83. Love how Jinesh thinks he is the highlight of this conversation even though everyone's taking a shit on him!

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  84. @72, @53, @3, @OP, @98

    All Im sayin to yall is you can eat a dick or you can suck a dick- it's still fucking gay

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  85. @89, instead of sitting at a computer, why don't you come say something to my face?

    Typical SAF highschool mentality

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  86. @89 I agree. Jinesh Jinesh he's our man if he can't do it no one can!

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  87. @90 are you callin me a liar?

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  88. @93 hell ya im callin you a liar

    im callin you the biggest liar

    you up in here in this cobweb talkin bout some gay asss pussy niggashit manwazwrongwith you

    got somenerve to say it to ma face

    to ma grill

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  89. @94 oh no you didnt

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  90. @94 oh i did too wacchu gone do?

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  91. So much hate yo...Jinesh is a pimp. Mad bitches everywhere.

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  92. @ 82

    If you're going to hate on this program, no one's going to stop you. I know this program has alot of problems and it's pretty obvious that many people aren't happy.

    But you've just crossed the line calling people out and shit.

    It's people like that you make me feel embarrassed of my own fucking program. If you're going to voice concerns, do so but don't go around calling people faggots and shit..

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  93. @96 i cannot believe this

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  94. @99 well beleee dat or im a whopass can on your ass

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  95. Meanwhile in Congo... a child just died of AIDS

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  96. ^LMFAO

    there are greater problems around the planet. Stop hating and spread love.

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  97. @101 how do you know? relative?

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  98. @62
    "Example: A girl that attended the meeting this spring term asked the faculty how they could explain a 54% unemployment rate for 2B FMs and why she (who works her ass off in just about any regard to get a job) is getting minimum-wage job postings."

    She wasn't complaining about minimum-wage job postings. She was was complaining about the fact that at this rate of job postings per day, not all FMs will be employed at the end of the term.

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  99. vote nitish for student of the month http://awards.campusperks.ca/en/entries/m8y7j

    cuz he deserves it

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  100. @103 That's not funny. I was just talking about how we could be focusing on other things rather than trolling anonymously.

    If you wanna insult my African background and nationality for no reason then come and meet me in the SAF lounge and we'll sort it out.

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  101. @106 i didnt know you were african

    now that i know you are it makes my comment 1000 times funnier

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  102. @103 you're the epitome of retard. That was not funny at all.

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  103. @86, David

    I'm just going to say it. Running for AFSA, while commendable, is still partially a popularity contest.

    Even the people who go to the discussion boards and ask questions are, what I can assume, the ones that people think are "arrogant". I'll admit that the fact that there are loads of people who aren't be involved, but aren't and still complain about it, but at the same time, from the beginning AFSA has been this way. A lot of people have grown tired and simply don't care anymore.

    It's the same old, same old. After second year, at least 50% of the students in the program just don't give a crap about attending events. I'm not saying they're not fun, I had a blast myself, but why go to an event when all really social people already have cliques going on. They're hard to break into. I personally don't know you all that well, and you may be open to having more people join your crowd, but really, if you're not in it in the beginning, it's not going to happen.

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  104. Ayo 82,

    I really don't know what else to say...usually I wouldn't be wasting my time like this responding to criticisms, but I feel like I need to clear some things up.

    1) The ongoing theme on this post about "nerds", "elitists", or whichever characteristics one uses to make them feel special or to look down on others...that's something nobody wants to hear. This goes for the guy at 47 too...you're talking the talk about "girls, clubs, etc", that's great, more power to you, but are you really using this to justify yourself? "C'mon man..."

    2) Everyone has different upbringings, cultures, childhoods, groups of friends, etc. If you don't know these people on a personal level, don't comment on their personalities or characteristics, period.

    3) If you really do have an issue with how AFSA is managed, it's useless to post here; like many other people already suggested, bring up all of your concerns legitimately to the BOD and execs in person. Maybe you can chime in on what issues really bother the student body...or maybe you're just hating for no reason...

    4) To be honest, after 2nd year running IE on AFSA, I took a step back to focus on school and other career options, so I didn't pay TOO much attention to AFSA. But I feel like Ming, or Nitish, or any of the execs and BoD members have done a great job. Why? Because it's unlikely that you could've stepped up and did a better job in ANY of their positions. Having been in this position, I think I can speak on other former and current execs and BoD members, of the sacrifices, 4-hour sleep nights, and yes, forgoing "partying with bitches, getting crunk, etc etc".

    Just a reminder again...Don't hate the player(s), hate the game. If you ain't with it, don't fuck with it, and leave it alone.

    Thanks :)

    DIB

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  105. Honestly, the job postings are actually disappointing. And each job gets around 100 applications at this point in the term with 1 week left to finals. I really wish people would want to take more of a stand and start a petition or something. The only reason I came ot this program was because the advertised co-op employment rate was about 99% and they advertised that in my face all the time. Reality is way different.

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  106. @98: well said...."the defence rests" until the next on-slaught of comments

    speaking of on-slaughts...they remind me of those sens vs leafs playoff series....they come at u in waves and no one is there to stop it...not even a beach ball!

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  107. Hi David Nyambi!

    I think you are the greatest thing to happen in SAF! Pretty motherfucka...stay based.

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  108. Now this is the story all about how
    My life got flipped, turned upside down
    And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
    I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air
    [ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/w/will+smith/fresh+prince+of+bel+air_20146970.html ]
    In west Philadelphia born and raised
    On the playground where I spent most of my days
    Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
    And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
    When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
    Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
    I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
    And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"

    I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
    License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror
    If anything I could say that this cab was rare
    But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air!

    I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
    And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!"
    Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
    To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air

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  109. RIP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44

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  110. @107

    A child with AIDS is not funny and neither is the fact that David is African. You can comment all you want about SAF, AFSA etc ... but now, its just getting out of hand when you think that's funny.

    When you have AIDS, let me see you laugh.

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  111. @116 agreed

    also go study for your exams

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  112. Adrienne... David does not have AIDS... that's not funny...

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  113. For finance, is it better to calculate beta, or just getting it off a website? I already calculated wacc, and I really don't want to spend time calculating anything else.

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  114. If we're gonna use a public forum like this then I think the use of names is obligatory, especially when people are being called elitist and execs of clubs are being called "faggots".

    Are we in grade 8 over here? Faggot? Really?

    Use your name or shut the fuck up if you're here to insult people.

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  115. @110, I would definitely agree with you. I don't expect people to be like me, and I would basically hate it if they were lol. However what I hated this year was the moment anyone, like Jinesh for example, would bring up the idea of a pubcrawl, he or anyone else would be shot down and made fun of by AFSA people. AFSA this year had the problem of thinking everything was going fine and Nitish would write off anyone who didn't agree with him. Worst President Ever.

    Secondly, no one is saying AFSA people don't work hard, not at all. But its poorly run. And AFSA isn't based on merit, its based on popularity so lets face it...quiet introverts will win. Asian people also have a safe pass. I can't quite recall the last time a brown or white person beat an asian person in an AFSA election.

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  116. @110, I would definitely agree with you. I don't expect people to be like me, and I would basically hate it if they were lol. However what I hated this year was the moment anyone, like Jinesh for example, would bring up the idea of a pubcrawl, he or anyone else would be shot down and made fun of by AFSA people. AFSA this year had the problem of thinking everything was going fine and Nitish would write off anyone who didn't agree with him. Worst President Ever.

    Secondly, no one is saying AFSA people don't work hard, not at all. But its poorly run. And AFSA isn't based on merit, its based on popularity so lets face it...quiet introverts will win. Asian people also have a safe pass. I can't quite recall the last time a brown or white person beat an asian person in an AFSA election.

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  117. @122 in 2011 and 2010 a brown person beat the whole student body to become presitish of saf

    yunorun?

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  118. @123

    unoppposed. just saying.

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  119. Everyone, calm your panties.

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  120. Dude...they ran unopposed..

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  121. @123 - President of AFSA, not SAF. They don't run the school, just a club (perhaps part of the problem with all of this).

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  122. @121 and @122 - don't make this a race thing. And please post your name if you are going to call someone else out by name.

    Pubcrawl wasn't a possibility because AFSA isn't allowed to do one: http://www.uwafsa.ca/?p=6600. Get informed and go blame Feds if you want....

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  123. The varucoc beat out an a

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  124. LOL...good point though...I don't know if a brown person could beat an asian in an election...

    Race wars leggo!

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  125. LOL...good point though...I don't know if a brown person could beat an asian in an election...

    Race wars leggo!

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  126. If you guys hate AFSA, start a new organization. NU-ASA? Nothing is stopping you from running for a position or performing a coup.

    This is exactly why the complainers don't have good jobs. Fucking lazy.

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  127. woops sry for posting twice :$

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  128. This is why I love Waterloo students.

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  129. Pretty sure Varun beat 2 asian people who diluted the vote

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  130. I love SAF because they won't shut the fuck up.

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  131. If that was really our old stats prof, I think I'm about to die of laughter and wonder if there are other staff and faculty creeping this post.

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  132. RILEY METZGER FUCK OFF YOU

    YOU KILLED ME IN THAT MOTHAFUCKIN STATS EXAM OF YOURS HOPE SOMEONE DIVIDES YOU BY ZERO

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  133. Riley, I think you should have bell-curved your entire course.

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  134. I think there are some celebrities creeping this post.

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  135. maybe I should change my name to an Asian name and run for AFSA

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  136. maybe I should change my name to an Asian name and run for AFSA

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  137. We hire quite a few people from UW.

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  138. Imma two rings by the end of this season

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  139. No you won't.

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  140. Hey guys, can we bring this to reddit? I'm not getting any karma.

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  141. this is sooo DUMBledor

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  142. LOL, man I almost wish that was really old Spongebob. He'd probably be so chill reading this. Though I really do think that is Metzger. Dude's a flippin troll... anyone who took stats with him would know.

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  143. @TK

    karma by alicia keys

    karma by my name is earl

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  144. F*** you Tom Cruise! I want sole custody and Suri

    ...and child support.

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  145. My course wasn't that bad. Half of you didn't even know how to calculate standard deviation! Anyways, this was a good read.

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  146. It's pretty evident that SAF has no problems. This thread proves that.

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  147. Ops. I was too angry and made a typo. I meant sole custody of Suri

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  148. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take

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  149. What chapters are on our law final?

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  150. Fuck you wayne you were a little pussy and you couldn't get 100 goals that one year, you fucked up! you had 10 games to score 8 goals, and what did you do...you passed, every fucking time u had the puck, you fucking tard!

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  151. Esa, fuck you my daughter is hotter than yours!

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  152. Not happy with AFSA? Solution: Accounting and Finance Endowment Fund Refund. $50 back in your pockets.

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  153. James Barnett makes 172 grand a year while we pay 9 grand a term. Who cares if the kids are unemployed and what the atmosphere is like in AFM

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  154. Hey everyone,

    Do you like these cans?
    http://cdn02.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2012/06/kate-upton-gq-july-2012.jpg

    Thanks!

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  155. @158

    I'm going to tell all the first years during AFOW to withdraw their endowment fund. Why?

    1) They get their $50 back.
    2) They can go to AFSA events even if they withdrew it.

    So why pay?

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  156. @159

    James Barnett gets paid 172 grand for a reason. I'd like to see you try and run a school.

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  157. Employment rates are low for everyone this term, not just AFM. Anyways, I hope those who didn't find a job yet will get there soon. Keep your head up and don't feel too bad! Lots of people are going through the same thing and you will get there eventually =)

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  158. I don't want to get into all the AFSA politics so I'll stay away from that.

    BUT, OP's right, people were really disrespectful at the GM, they're still adults, and they must've done something right to get their jobs. So they deserve to be at least spoken to politely. And they're actually pretty nice, a lot of them.

    For the kids that are hating on the cliques, yeah, that's pretty annoying, but if you can't muster up the maturity/decency to be on good terms with these people, screw it, there are other kids in SAF. And if you don't like anyone in SAF, make friends in other faculties, it's a big university. And if you don't like anyone in university, stay tight with your high school friends. If you don't have any high school friends, come say hi to me, I think I'm pretty nice O.O (even though I'm very loud and may come across as a cocky douchebag a lot of the time)

    I can see what some people are saying about some SAF kids being a little socially awkward, but you're not much better if you're not making an effort to reach out as well.

    Let's all just be honest, friendly and decent human beings and help each other out. University's hard enough without all this drama. Figure out what you like and start working towards being able to make an impact in the real world somehow, instead of focusing on making a negative impact on SAF. In the short term, try to constructively make SAF better, without attacking each other on the internet.

    Thanks troll posters for making things interesting

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  159. ^ c'mon Praveen, I know you would fuck my daughter

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  160. Praveen,

    You are a loud douchebag. You don't come to the gym with me :(

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  161. DUDE NO ONE IS EVER THERE TO HAND OUT MY AFSA BLACK CARD WTF

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  162. @ Praveen Y

    <3

    - The Great One's daughter

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  163. @161 ^ True. Ultimately, it's a charitable donation. If you see no value in paying, then withdraw. If you want to benefit from events without donating, that's fine too.

    But what can AFSA do to have you not opt out of your $50 contribution? Let's hear some suggestions!

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  164. Thank goodness we have trolls :)

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  165. Nisarg and Praveen,

    Stop wasting time on here and start getting ready for our big hockey game tomorrow night haha

    And Praveen, you know the rules, no shenanigans with The Great One's daughter the night before!

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  166. The Grate One's DaughterJuly 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEk

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  167. AFSA is over-funded, which is the reason I want to opt out.

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    Our regime includes:
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    4) Mastering the use of Instagram
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  169. At Wayne, I'm sure dudes from business schools all over the country would be down for your daughter.

    At Wayne's daughter, rawr.

    At Zac, stop getting in the way of true love. I'm sure if Nis were to bang Wayne's daughter there would be some sort of magical positive implications for our game tomorrow. Nis would become Sidney Crosby

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  170. AFSA IS OVER-FUNDED. SAF IS OVER-FUNDED. I AM UNDERFUNDED. EVERYONE GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!

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  171. Former SAF student here.

    Just wanted to say that the culture in AFM is not really the same as Ivey and QComm as many have suggested. If anything, it's closer to Schulich's from what my friends there have told me.

    A lot of the criticism (Deserving or not) comes from the different demographics IMO. It's the way the students go on and about their lives - how people want to themselves to be recognized by others. I could write a whole essay on this but basically I've found that Western social culture is more focused on the little things - people recognize each other by personalities, feelings, that kind of stuff. For non-Western cultures, particularly the ones dominant within SAF are different - it's a little more shallow and I don't mean that in a bad way. In the back of everyone's mind, everyone is profiled by what they are doing in terms of school, career and related activities etc. no matter how much some try not to. As a result, there is too much idolization as well as scorn generated for every incoming SAF class towards the upper years. This breeds a never-ending cycle.

    It's actually kind of funny though, some of the most successful students I know in the program or who have graduated with a few exceptions are not involved with AFSA/Related Activities at all.

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  172. That was my daughter who eeked at you. Aren't you in for a surprise.

    MUUUUhahahahahahahahaha

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  173. I started watching Suits before it started blowing up in SAF. Some of you ruined that for me.

    Hipsta, please.

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  174. I'm not going to lie, AFSA has struggled with managing the annual budget. There's definitely room for improvement.

    Would you like to see a cut in the termly contribution? Where do you think we're spending too much? Where do you think we're not spending enough?

    As always, feel free to attend a future GM, raise your concerns here http://www.uwafsa.ca/?page_id=557 or email anyone on AFSA.

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  175. Thanks for a sensible, mature and insightful post. I am saying this honestly in case this comes across as sarcasm.

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  176. 182 here... that was @ 178

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  177. Terrance Kwok FTW (Y)

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  178. DGAFSA
    Don't. Give. A. Fuck. Student. Association.

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  179. I am not in AFM but I am amazed that ONE post attracted a 186 comments.

    Spent an hour reading them.
    Highly amused

    However, I had to google AFM since I didn't know such a program existed at UW.

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  180. @ Terrance Kwok

    I want to see AFSA become more professional. Be less of a social club. So no pub crawls, paintball games, laser tag, etc etc (I know not all of these happened). Instead, spend the money on useful things. SAF isn't supporting students well so AFSA should step up a little. Condense the # events. Right now there's too many and you get poor attendance as a result. Have one big event that combines a bunch of smaller ones. Look at hEDGE this summer- it offers participants a shitload of value and is something a lot of people wanted to pay for (which on a side note is another option in order to up what's offered). If there's 3-5 money events like this throughout the year, that's going to be so much more valuable. Maybe have 1 social event like Bubbletea or just let people organize that on their own.

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  181. thats true, social events just attract the same crowd and others don't want to attend because they're not friends with them

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  182. Hi TK,

    Why are you on OMGUW? Isn't this supposed to be the job of VP Marketing?

    What happened to him? The reputation of AFSA is being shattered at the moment (but it's not like AFSA had a great reputation in the first place...)

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  183. @188 Noted. Thanks for sharing. I think there definitely needs to be a balance. Different students from different years have different needs. As a first year student, I wanted a lot more opportunities to meet other students and found that there weren't enough social offerings at the time (ASA + ASEC era). By the time AFSA rolled around, I started looking for more opportunities to develop my future career. While I don't think cutting out social events completely is a good idea, I do agree that we've gone a bit overboard.

    Finding the balance is definitely really tricky. It's hard to have one big event that caters to all students. hEDGE is great and I'm super stoked for this year's conference, but they only need to serve about 60 SAF students.

    Anyway, I'll definitely bring your point up at the next AFSA meeting!

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  184. @189 I agree...besides BBT, social events do tend to attract the same crowd.

    BUT I challenge you to bring your friends out and try to have a good time too! It would be a good first step in changing the dynamic of future social events.

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  185. Whoops probably should have consolidated all these responses...

    @190 Shattered? I think that might be a bit dramatic. Email him! Not everyone goes on OMGUW.

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  186. @TK

    #190 here. Not everyone goes on Facebook or Twitter either.

    But yes, e-mail works.

    Please educate the new VP Marketing about OMGUW. I have yet to see the new VP Marketing in action. He has a tough challenge ahead of him.

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  187. ITT:
    AFM kids having a civil war, the clique reveals itself on OMGUW, TK confesses to being a reddit karmawhore, possible explanations of the culture divide and personal attacks

    5/5; would not read again due to the amount of posts.

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  188. I think the saddest part about this discussion is the fact that incoming first years and are probably going to catch onto this thread somehow, and it'll probably permeate into current Grade 12 students that want to come into AFM. This kind of tension and dissension between students is exactly what undermines SAF in a way that I don't think some of the people that commented can imagine.
    The irony of my comment is that I too was part of this argument... so maybe I'm just being a hyprocrite here. Nonetheless, it's pretty sad that THIS is what we've lowered ourselves to.

    I think I'll just leave it at that.

    P.S. Imma continue defending my 2B brown girls. You mess with them and you mess with me, tbh. srs.

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  189. I, for one, think pie is delicious.

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  190. Least were better than York lel

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  191. The reputation of SAF has already been harmed on the forums of Student Awards.

    I think they received a good idea of how great our program is.

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