Me as a "mathie" does not find it offensive at all; art students just like insulting themselves? The math is that art students are worthless quantitatively.
You know what faculty really sucks? Fucking all of them. You know which students are the dumbest? Goddamn everyone. Fuck this bullshit, you guys are giant cock sores. And engineers are sphincter herpes.
it's really strange to me that it is SO hard for you guys to see that there is in fact some value in an arts degree. business schools accept arts students all of the time, and eventually, if you "mathies" are lucky enough, an arts student will hire you to do his/her dirty work. of course your precious engineering/math/cs/physics degrees are incredible, but arts degrees are not as worthless as you claim.
something tells me that deep inside you guys are aggravated by arts students because you just can't understand liberal arts, social sciences, or other fields that dare to go beyond your rigid perspective in life. and bashing arts students just makes you feel better about yourselves, because you're most likely putting in a very strong effort for only mediocre ROI.
keep it up!! after all, we need to convince society's workhorses that their jobs are worth striving for.
I think those t-shirts are hilarious. What most of you forget is that many Arts students still do Math, just not in excessive amounts. For example, look at Economics students or social science students. Most of an Arts students studies do consist of exploring human existence, and not trying to achieve some objective knowledge of the world. In this sense, Arts may be too difficult for people in some scientific or mathematic disciplines to excel at.
This is more at what I was trying to say: 'Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty - a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.'
Similarly, http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=math 'math doesn't suck, you do.'
^^^-- I recently graduated from the Faculty of Arts. Some of my highest marks were in mathematics in highschool. I chose to take a minimal amount of mathematics in undergrad because it is boring and too rigid. Just as the site you linked suggests, it's like following a recipe. If you follow it correctly, you shouldn't be wrong. Boring. Simply and utterly boring.
@7 Economics doesn't do any real math in undergrad..
But anyways, as a mathie, I don't find arts degrees useless. I have had roommates in arts who put in way more work than I do. However, I have also had roommates in arts who literally don't do anything and yet still manage to complain to me all the time. They are ruining your reputation.
I'm the same way as 11. I took some electives in math and did excellently in them. My older brother just got his doctorate in math, actually, so he's constantly flooded me with math knowledge, so maybe that's why... but still. I chose Arts because it was my interest, because I was good at it, and because there ARE jobs out there for it, believe it or not.
Dunno why Arts gets a bad rap, honestly. I don't know much about these shirts, but Arts students have to do some stats, so maybe-*is pounced on by raging mathies 'STATS ISN'T REAL MATH'!!!!*
I've had friends in Arts and AHS taking stats courses. Your stats courses aren't nearly as challenging or rigorous as the two stats courses every person in the Math faculty is required to take. Just sayin'
At 12. You're so fucking misinformed. Look at the anti-reqs for a lot of the upper year econ courses. They have stats, lin alg, calc, afm, and other "highly rated" in your eyes anti reqs. theyre required courses for a honours econ degree.
They are just funny t shirts. I'm in Arts & I have one because I find it hilarious. We're not insulting ourselves or implying that we're stupid, it's just a joke about how people view the stereotypical Artsie.
25 is right. My roommate is in Econ and once you get to 300 and 400 level econ courses they are essentially applied math courses. I'm in math so I can tell you they do plenty of "real math." (Unlike in Econ 100 and 101, where all the math is basically just a joke.)
@4 No, the only reason we bash arts is cause it's easier, and worth less after you graduate. You're reading meaning beyond what we intend so I'm guessing your in some kind of english progam?
You seem to ascertain that a pure Math degree is better than an Economics degree. I must disagree. Also, you might benefit from taking some English classes. Your grammar is lacking.
The "math culture" is far worse than anything else on campus. Every time I walk by those nerd assholes on the 3rd floor of MC I want to throw up. It makes me sick.
@6: You forget that it's common practice for math students (and students of other faculties) to take arts electives to make their course load lighter. Anything in arts boils down to philosophy at its very core, and philosophy is a less rigorous, less practically useful form of math.
@24: And that stats courses that mathies take isn't very challenging to begin with
34 has a good point. You sound like an ESL student that's trying too hard. If English is actually your first language, then holy shit, I feel sorry for you.
@35 - Philosophy is quite the opposite of mathematics. Math seeks an objective answer while philosophy is the study of general problems in our world, providing answers that are purely subjective and completely arguable regardless of how competent of philosopher you are.
most people from different faculties take arts courses that are designed to be electives, even for arts students. hence, the workload is intentionally a bit lower for both parties; professors/ta's & students.
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June 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I don't get it. Is it that it will sum up to nothing?
June 20, 2012 at 1:16 PM
hurr artsies are dumb engies are virgins hurr
June 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Me as a "mathie" does not find it offensive at all; art students just like insulting themselves? The math is that art students are worthless quantitatively.
June 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM
get over it. art has a place, math has a place, everybody is valuable.
Sheesh you snobby jerk.
(I too am a math student)
June 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM
You know what faculty really sucks? Fucking all of them. You know which students are the dumbest? Goddamn everyone. Fuck this bullshit, you guys are giant cock sores. And engineers are sphincter herpes.
June 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM
it's really strange to me that it is SO hard for you guys to see that there is in fact some value in an arts degree. business schools accept arts students all of the time, and eventually, if you "mathies" are lucky enough, an arts student will hire you to do his/her dirty work. of course your precious engineering/math/cs/physics degrees are incredible, but arts degrees are not as worthless as you claim.
something tells me that deep inside you guys are aggravated by arts students because you just can't understand liberal arts, social sciences, or other fields that dare to go beyond your rigid perspective in life. and bashing arts students just makes you feel better about yourselves, because you're most likely putting in a very strong effort for only mediocre ROI.
keep it up!! after all, we need to convince society's workhorses that their jobs are worth striving for.
June 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM
I think those t-shirts are hilarious. What most of you forget is that many Arts students still do Math, just not in excessive amounts. For example, look at Economics students or social science students. Most of an Arts students studies do consist of exploring human existence, and not trying to achieve some objective knowledge of the world. In this sense, Arts may be too difficult for people in some scientific or mathematic disciplines to excel at.
June 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM
“Maturity is that time when the mirrors in our mind turn to windows and instead of seeing the reflection of ourselves we see others.”
(sorry if this doesn't make sense to you...maybe you can figure out an equation to simplify it)
June 20, 2012 at 2:59 PM
I hate those shirts.
-artsie
June 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM
This is more at what I was trying to say:
'Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty - a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.'
Similarly,
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=math
'math doesn't suck, you do.'
June 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM
^^^-- I recently graduated from the Faculty of Arts. Some of my highest marks were in mathematics in highschool. I chose to take a minimal amount of mathematics in undergrad because it is boring and too rigid. Just as the site you linked suggests, it's like following a recipe. If you follow it correctly, you shouldn't be wrong. Boring. Simply and utterly boring.
June 20, 2012 at 3:50 PM
@7 Economics doesn't do any real math in undergrad..
But anyways, as a mathie, I don't find arts degrees useless. I have had roommates in arts who put in way more work than I do. However, I have also had roommates in arts who literally don't do anything and yet still manage to complain to me all the time. They are ruining your reputation.
June 20, 2012 at 3:52 PM
@10...wow, that page was weak. thanks for wasting 3 minutes of my time, asshole. you found someone who's as big a douche as you, congrats.
June 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM
they're fucking hilarious. it's true though, we're in arts, you can go and do the math. we're not in school for math, don't ask to do them.
if you guys can come up with better slogans then make shirts yourself. you can't complain if you don't do anything about it.
June 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Where can I get one of these?
June 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM
i dont get it.. ididnt see the tshirts
but whats wrong with a tshirt that says arts?
June 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM
AL 120 @ The ASU office...think they're selling them for $10?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/69263_10150926724002369_1580851275_n.jpg
June 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Can't wait to get out of this whole cliquey university environment.
June 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM
8 is fag
June 20, 2012 at 9:11 PM
They sell them at the Arts Student Union for $10. They're cool because a) they're cheaper than UW swag b) its faculty swag not "Waterloo" swag
June 20, 2012 at 9:12 PM
Also, after reading the comments...it's not supposed to be an equation.
"Arts...you do the math" is supposed to mean that because said person is in Arts, the other faculties can do the math because we don't need to.
And they say Arts students are clueless....
June 21, 2012 at 12:26 AM
I'm the same way as 11. I took some electives in math and did excellently in them. My older brother just got his doctorate in math, actually, so he's constantly flooded me with math knowledge, so maybe that's why... but still. I chose Arts because it was my interest, because I was good at it, and because there ARE jobs out there for it, believe it or not.
Dunno why Arts gets a bad rap, honestly. I don't know much about these shirts, but Arts students have to do some stats, so maybe-*is pounced on by raging mathies 'STATS ISN'T REAL MATH'!!!!*
June 21, 2012 at 2:09 AM
^---agreed. Stats is the kind of Math that actually gets you a job unlike pure Math. Oops. Sorry mathies.
June 21, 2012 at 6:55 AM
I've had friends in Arts and AHS taking stats courses. Your stats courses aren't nearly as challenging or rigorous as the two stats courses every person in the Math faculty is required to take. Just sayin'
June 21, 2012 at 9:44 AM
At 12. You're so fucking misinformed. Look at the anti-reqs for a lot of the upper year econ courses. They have stats, lin alg, calc, afm, and other "highly rated" in your eyes anti reqs. theyre required courses for a honours econ degree.
June 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM
They are just funny t shirts. I'm in Arts & I have one because I find it hilarious. We're not insulting ourselves or implying that we're stupid, it's just a joke about how people view the stereotypical Artsie.
June 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM
25 is right. My roommate is in Econ and once you get to 300 and 400 level econ courses they are essentially applied math courses. I'm in math so I can tell you they do plenty of "real math." (Unlike in Econ 100 and 101, where all the math is basically just a joke.)
June 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM
PURE MATH DOESN'T GET YOU A JOB YOU FUCKZ I JUST GRADUATED FROM ECON AND I'M STARTING AT $60K
June 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM
It's an inside joke.
When you go to ASU to buy some things to snack on, they have some trouble adding the prices so they tell you do it yourself.
Believe it or not, this IS true.
June 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM
ECON 311 and 400 level ECON courses are math.
June 22, 2012 at 2:20 AM
@4 No, the only reason we bash arts is cause it's easier, and worth less after you graduate. You're reading meaning beyond what we intend so I'm guessing your in some kind of english progam?
June 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM
You seem to ascertain that a pure Math degree is better than an Economics degree. I must disagree. Also, you might benefit from taking some English classes. Your grammar is lacking.
June 22, 2012 at 9:51 PM
The "math culture" is far worse than anything else on campus. Every time I walk by those nerd assholes on the 3rd floor of MC I want to throw up. It makes me sick.
June 23, 2012 at 7:16 PM
@32: And you seem to incorrectly use big words in a vain attempt to sound intelligent.
June 23, 2012 at 7:22 PM
@6: You forget that it's common practice for math students (and students of other faculties) to take arts electives to make their course load lighter. Anything in arts boils down to philosophy at its very core, and philosophy is a less rigorous, less practically useful form of math.
@24: And that stats courses that mathies take isn't very challenging to begin with
June 24, 2012 at 2:32 AM
34 has a good point. You sound like an ESL student that's trying too hard. If English is actually your first language, then holy shit, I feel sorry for you.
June 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM
@35 - Philosophy is quite the opposite of mathematics. Math seeks an objective answer while philosophy is the study of general problems in our world, providing answers that are purely subjective and completely arguable regardless of how competent of philosopher you are.
June 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM
most people from different faculties take arts courses that are designed to be electives, even for arts students. hence, the workload is intentionally a bit lower for both parties; professors/ta's & students.