OMG:
The fact that Ian Charlesworth got 597 votes makes me lost a bit of respect for our student body. Even sadder is that less than 2500 people voted.
The fact that Ian Charlesworth got 597 votes makes me lost a bit of respect for our student body. Even sadder is that less than 2500 people voted.
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Friday, February 11.
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February 11, 2011 at 8:30 PM
Yeah, when I saw that I was like wow good job udub. These are the ppl that are going to fuck over society.
February 11, 2011 at 8:53 PM
I voted for Ian and I'm proud of it.
OP is a faggot.
February 11, 2011 at 9:38 PM
i have no idea what ian's platform is... thats why i never voted. having said that i used to be in math soc and ian was actively involved in math soc (once again.. i didnt really interact with him). Nonetheless... dont criticizes someone if u wont go sign up and fight for that job yourself... i have no idea what his platform is but someone dedicated to the job is better than some of the past execs of mathsoc who was heavily criticized for trying to stir change (atleast his campaign platform was on it).. and got nth done. *name not disclosed for obvious reasons)+*
February 11, 2011 at 10:08 PM
@OP you know nothing. Ian Charlesworth deserves any position in any student government.
February 11, 2011 at 10:09 PM
@3: Thanks for the defence, but I was running on a platform meant to be entirely unelectable & promised to resign if elected. More of just a stunt to try to draw attention to the election. Didn't work as well as I'd have liked.
February 11, 2011 at 10:25 PM
@OP: Don't lose respect for the student body over this. That is 597 people who have stated that they don't have confidence in FedS and/or don't respect/realise what FedS does. If anything, it shows that FedS has work to do, either changing how it is perceived or changing what it does, or both. If the student government was healthier, I wouldn't have gotten that many votes.
Although the low turnout is disappointing, I agree.
February 11, 2011 at 10:33 PM
As someone powerless who has been very interested in this election because of the Rhino party, I feel ridiculously sad to see OP's comment. I am just like #3 and have been involved with mathsoc for a bit. I could totally see Ian doing a great job as a president or any other important roles. And I really wished he could have taken a role more than a program rep this term in mathsoc. I have never really interacted with Ian, and I hate to say this, but Ian, you seem to be very unapproachable or cocky; but I know that you are an amazing person and it's natural for someone like you to appear cocky). I'm sure you are a very nice person to talk to but the most people simply prefer a more approachable leader. (okay...I think this is somehow irrelevant to THIS election...but I think you know what I am talking about)
February 11, 2011 at 10:41 PM
I don't know Ian very well either (and come to think of it he does seem a little cocky, I'd be kind of intimidated to approach him tbh), but even though he says he had no interest in seriously running, I don't think he would do a poor job. In what little capacity I do know him, he seems to be knowledgeable and have a decent head on his shoulders.
I knew he had no interest in taking the position, but I voted for him anyway :). I was disappointed to see he received as little votes that he did.
February 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM
@7: What the fuck are you saying? He's cocky and unapproachable, and I don't really know him, but he'd make a great leader?! Sounds like an asshole to me.
February 12, 2011 at 12:56 AM
@9, 7 here. I don't think being nice is the key for becoming a great leader; it does gain you popularity though. We need the right people to make important decisions.
Some people got elected because they seemed approachable, but they were probably not the best candidates. Some people simply copied the job description onto their platforms. Some people played the experience card but presented no real work. Some people wrote stuff on their platforms that they didn't do. To many people are convinced by candidates' past titles and they think past titles = experience = did a great job. But no, that's not true.
I have met a few people who have a reputation of being cocky. I tried to get to know them, and they turned out to be some of the most intelligent and sophisticated people I've ever meet. They have amazing ideas and do real work. I really think people who seem to be cocky and unapproachable sometimes can't help appearing that way, because they see things that other people don't see, and think about things that other people don't bother caring.
February 12, 2011 at 2:03 AM
I am convinced that Ian would make a great prez...too bad really...
February 12, 2011 at 8:43 AM
OP here. The question of whether or not Ian would be a good leader is a moot point, as he would have resigned if elected.
If the rhino party had actually been elected can you think of how badly this would reflect on our school? Plus all of the wasted money for another election. Even if you don't have confidence in Feds, there are more mature ways to demonstrate it than voting for such a childish party.
February 12, 2011 at 9:34 AM
@10: "I don't think being nice is the key for becoming a great leader" - but it is required if you want people to follow your lead.
February 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM
^ That's bullshit. People are supposed to look at qualifications, not "looks", "is he a nice guy?", "is he good in bed?", since those are largely irrelevant.
February 12, 2011 at 10:11 AM
@12 I don't understand your argument that Rhino being elected would reflect poorly on our school. I would counter that no one would care. I have no idea what student governments are doing at other universities and I similarly don't care. Western could elect a chimp as their student president and I wouldn't find it any more interesting than an amusing headline.
I think the biggest issue is that the FedS are mainly irrelevant for a VAST majority of the student body. No one cares who is running or who gets elected. I would wager that the entire FedS executive could disappear tomorrow and most people wouldn't notice a difference.
February 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Agree with 15. I have a proper level of involvement on campus, but I still barely hear anything about FedS, or why I should care about them at all. I pay only about ten bucks to my faculty society but I feel they are doing much more than FedS. Even if the Rhino party got elected, it wouldn't look as bad as acclamation.
February 12, 2011 at 12:25 PM
As to the election results, there were a few surprises to me. I thought Bering could get close to Cockburn, but him beating mathsoc president in a VP Edcuation race was not a surprise to me at all. It just looked bad on mathsoc. If Charlesworth was the president of mathsoc, all of this wouldn't happen, because I believe he would be responsible for mathsoc and would not choose to run for any executive positions. Burns got more votes than I expected but that's still reasonable. There should be a re-election for VPAF position. How we chould trust someone who dropped FOC to take an executive postition? If he found a better job, would he resign and take the other one? Also, I really don't know what's going on with math orientation now. Do they have a back-up FOC? Maybe not. Again, that looked bad on mathsoc. To me, it seems that mathsoc always took the wrong person, but I don't know how much decision power they have in terms of choosing FOC. (As to the selection of president...okay, I guess he was selected by students who wanted a more approachable leader.)
Ironicly, the most qualified candidate was not elected in the math councilor race. But I don't belame the rhino candidate who did get elected. I actually think it would be more beneficial to have him on the council as a math rep than the other two. Senate...I have never heard of McGinnis, other than that he was selected as a FOC. Since FOCs will be very busy throughout next year, I wonder how dedicated he could be to the FedS council and the orientation committee at the same time. As far as I know, Hunt has been exceptional in terms of his involvement in the math faculty, even though he's a first year, but I guess some people didn't feel comfortable to select a first year.
To me, it seems that the democratic process didn't always work in the best way it should.
February 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM
@17: MathSoc has little control over its FOC, the faculty advisor and orientation co-chairs make their own decision and ignore MathSoc. Also, apparently, the VPAF elect got fired as FOC mid last week for no reason.
February 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM
@13, no being nice is not required of a leader. A leader need people around who understand him/her and can be nice to others.
February 13, 2011 at 2:18 AM
@18 You're absolutely right about mathSoc not getting much say over FOC selection. I was on the FOC selection committee, and most of the ones we liked the most when we interviewed we had a bunch of good reasons to hand over to the admin and they just sort of completely ignored what we said and chose whoever they wanted.
February 13, 2011 at 2:26 AM
@17: "How we chould trust someone who dropped FOC to take an executive postition?"
I understand that he was removed from FOC before the results came out. The reason I heard involves him not putting in the effort required, which I have strong doubts about given my experience working with him. However, if someone closer to the situation can understand what really went down, I would greatly appreciate it.
February 13, 2011 at 4:21 AM
I find it pretty humorous that people believed the Rhino party when they said they would resign even after they had said, they promise not to keep any of their promises.
I didn't.
I'll probably not be believing anything they say for a long time to come. Who knows when they go in and out of Rhino mode?
PS: Still waiting and watching to see if Qi Fan resigns. I won't be surprised if he did. The position is probably worth less than the 40,000+ salaries and vacations his higherups are sullen at giving up. :P
February 13, 2011 at 8:41 AM
17 here, somehow made a terrible grammar mistake after changing the sentence a few times: "How could we trust someone who dropped FOC to take an executive postition?"
My question is...so is there a back-up FOC?
February 13, 2011 at 10:12 AM
1) Faculty societies have no say in FOC
2) There is no back up Math FOC, lots of faculties have 3 FOC
3) FOC have been senators in the past, I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to uphold both this year